eliefs of a few >>>>>>> terrorists directly control their course of action (or inaction). >>>>>> Jamie, >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you referring to those few wacky terroists who killed over 3,000 >>>>>> innocent people in the World Trade Centers, crashed a jumbo jet into >>>>>> our Pentagon, and, but for the extreme courage of some passengers, >>>>>> almost flew a jumbo jet into our W
t;>>>>> economically, on >>>>>>>>> the kindness of strangers." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050418ta_talk _surowiecki >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gene >>>>>>>>> >>How do you render a midi track playing a vst instrument to an audio file (that's positioned correctly) ? tia, -CarlHey Chuck, try Jeff Wagner at Wagtech - http://www.wagtechsound.com/sound-lights.htm. He's a good guy, has good gear and good people working for him. I think he's also reasonably priced... he's certainly a lot cheaper than Maryland Sound! Gantt "chuck duffy" <c&#6
icy. >>>>>> >>>>>> In individual cases it may or may not make sense to employ diplomacy >>>>>> and negotiation. That judgment cannot be wisely made by anyone who >>>>>> lets themselves be controlled by knee-jerk thinking. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> -Jamie >>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tony Benson wrote: >>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:455374c4@linux... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We also need leadership that won't let the wacky beliefs of a few >>>>>>>> terrorists directly control their course of action (or inaction). >>>>>>> Jamie, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you referring to those few wacky terroists who killed over 3,000 >>>>>>> innocent people in the World Trade Centers, crashed a
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>>> > > ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C704D7.A9127F70--DJ wrote: >> No one has advocated military disarmament in this thread. > > <snip> >> We should, however, be very aware and careful to not sacrifice the essence >> of American freedom and human rights to the altar of terrorism. >> > > > The patriot act and NSA wiretaps (immediate-no ***ing around trying to get a > warrant when you don't even know what you're really looking to find) are the > weapons I'm talking about here. It'sd a shame but our laws in this respect > have become our enemy's weapon. In order to deprive him of it, we must > sacrifice it. There are elements of the Patriot act; our move toward justifying torture; and aspects to wholesale wiretapping of American citizens that are very unamerican IMO. We must be extremely careful that we do not permanently lose our place in history as a great step forward in personal freedom and opportunity. Either by some nutcase reducing St. Louis to a nuclear wasteland or by some other nutcase legislating away our core ideals. I don't care how sincere the nutcase, those are both extremely damaging actions to America. This is not an easy problem, so we need every viable idea on the table and we need to come together with respect. And we need to remember: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin. Cheers, -Jamie www.JamieKrutz.com > > "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4554b420@linux... >> DJ wrote: >>>> Ask a military planner. Fear is the path to panic, not the basis for >>> sound policy or strategy. Ask any dictator, fear is an effective way to >>> enslave.< >>> >>> Ask any military planner and he will tell you that without the weapons to >>> do the job he will not be able to do it. >> No one has advocated military disarmament in this thread. >> >> My point is that it's important to operate from a position of strength >> derived from rational planning, rather than fear-based, panicked, >> knee-jerk responses, the latter being open to direct manipulation by >> terrorists (and by self-serving politicians, for that matter). Can we not >> agree on that? >> >> >> >>> "...the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" FDR in another >>> context. >>> >>> This was from Roosevelts first inagural and referred to an economic >>> depression. He was trying to keep people from withdrawing their money >>> from the banks. He certainly wasn't talking about a shooting war/spies >>> and sabatoeurs. >> Exactly, and I noted the different context. However the quote is germane. >> >> Speaking of ex-presidents and war, Eisenhower said this: >> >> "This conjunction of an immense military establishmen
ere's 'Freeze' button there somewhere or it's in a pulldown menu. Tom "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message = news:4554cbad$1@linux... How do you render a midi track playing a vst instrument to an audio = file (that's positioned correctly) ? tia, -Carl I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you? http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C704D8.0B0DCF90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Carl, There's 'Freeze' button there somewhere = or it's in=20 a pulldown menu. Tom <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> "Carl Amburn" <<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com">carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com= >=20 wrote in message <A=20 href=3D"news:4554cbad$1@linux">news:4554cbad$1@linux... How = do you=20 render a midi track playing a vst instrument to an audio = file (that's=20 positioned correctly) ? tia, -Carl I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, = and=20 you? <A=20 href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer= ..html ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C704D8.0B0DCF90--Gantt, The best way I've found to do this is to open the sequence editor, select a point past the end of the song on the timeline, arm all tracks and record a few seconds of silence. Select all those silent "soundbites" and drag them to very beginning of the timeline. Now select all of the soundbites in the project. Go to the "Audio" menu dropdown and select "merge soundbites" (I think that's it anyway). Now you should have all of the tracks starting at zero. There may an easier way, but I haven't found it yet. I got spoiled by the "render tracks" command in PARIS, as it inserts the silence back to zero for you automatically. Anyway, hope this helps. Tony "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message news:4554cd4b$1@linux... > > I have a mix project that just came in in DP. I need to bounce each track > from the same starting point to import into Paris for mixing. Is there an > easy way to do this? i have DP v.5, but I've mostly only used it for > MIDI! > > Thanks, > > gantt"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote: > >I have a mix project that just came in in DP. I need to bounce each track >from the same starting point to import into Paris for mixing. Is there an >easy way to do this? i have DP v.5, but I've mostly only used it for MIDI! ><
ow you can always unfreeze a = track for=20 further tweaks.brilliant! <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
d take nothing for granted only an alert and > >> knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of huge industrial > >> and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so > >> that security and liberty may prosper together." > >> > >> > >> > >>>> At any rate, it would be inaccurate to imply that anyone who doesn't > >>>> agree with a particular course of action is blind, deaf and dumb to > >>>> potential threats. < > >> OK, we agree on that, right? > >> > >> > >>> It would be inaccurate to imply that wars have not *always* required > >>> great sacrifices from the citizenry of the respective combatants. > >> Right, no one has advocated a sacrifice-free response in this thread. > >> Although our current president and congress have actively worked to make > >> it seem like little sacrifice has been required by, for the first time in > >> history (correct me if I'm wrong), cutting taxes in time of war. Of course > >> this only delays the sacrifice a generation or two. > >> > >> We should, however, be very aware and careful to not sacrifice the essence > >> of American freedom and human rights to the altar of terrorism. > >> > >> > >>>> Not a true nor useful characterization. Divisive at > >>> best. And dividing ourselves IS one road to defeat.< > >>> > >>> I agree 100%. It seems that half the folks in this country believe we are > >>> in > >> Then we can be united despite our differences. Like a composite material > >> with fibers in different layers running in different directions we can be > >> bonded together, stronger for our union. :^) > >> > >> IOW, it's OK that we sometimes think differently, as long as we listen to > >> each other, respect each other and can consider each other's viewpoints. > >> We can draw on all of our strengths to innovate workable solutions. > >> > >> > >>> a war, the other half don't. This is a sure recipe for disaster, > >>> especially in a war with an enemy who uses our own laws against us. To > >>> ignore this in an era where one person with a bomb can wipe out an entire > >>> city is a recipe for disaster on an unimaginable scale. > >> The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. We must defend BOTH against a > >> crafty enemy AND against those who would sacrifice the ideals and freedoms > >> of our country. We must not lose the war in order to win the battle. And > >> we must not lose that battle. > >> > >> We must choose paths that serve both our citizens and the people of the > >> world, not those that best serve the military industrial complexes of the > >> world's nations, nor the short term interests of short-sighted > >> international corporations, nor the power ambitions of a any obsessive > >> wannabe despots. This will take leadership in a style not seen for quite a > >> while in these parts. > >> > >> Fear-based thinking on either side of a conflict props up illegitimate > >> power. > >> > >> This is among the top dangers of major aspects of our current course. > >> While trying to appear "not weak" we run the risk of making it easy for > >> those against us to use our missteps, missed opportunities and > >> overreactions to literally scare up more and more followers. > >> > >> As part of a well considered and comprehensive defense, we must interrupt > >> this dynamic. To not do so would be to fight with one arm tied behind our > >> back. > >> > >> We need to think very long term, we need to look at alleviating root > >> causes of conflict and we need to consider the best interests of the > >> nations and citizens involved. As long as we don't, we are fighting > >> without a complete defense and we are in danger of blundering into trap > >> after trap, draining our resources and weakening our position. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> -Jamie > >> www.JamieKrutz.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45544bcc@linux... > >>>> DJ wrote: > >>>>>> Jamie wrote: > >>>>>> like overcompensating insecure > >>>>> spendthrift fools while undercutting our own democracy with shifty eyed > >>>>> abject fear - IOW, becoming terrorized. Fear sells, but maybe, just > >>>>> maybe, we're better than that. > >>>>> > >>>>&
o Cubase comp #2 > > > =3D3D > >size=3D3D3D2> &nbs=3D3D > >p; =3D3D20 > > via 100mbps LAN. This guy will take up the slack for the = =3D3D > >Cubase=3D3D20 > > rig if need be. > > > > My application is = for heavy =3D >use of > =3D3D > >Kontakt,=3D3D20 > > multiple softsynths and surely Creamware face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20 > > size=3D3D3D2>plugs of all sorts. > > Music styles = ranging from =3D >rock, =3D3D > >heavy synth,=3D3D20 > > orchestral and sometimes size=3D3D3D2>in =3D3D > >between all=3D3D20 > > of those. > > > > My goal is to have = =3D >solid/stable =3D3D > >performance by=3D3D20 > > not abusing any one computer in the network. > > Also to maintain an = almost =3D >=3D3D > >unlimited amount of=3D3D20 > > close to real-time processing power face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20 > > size=3D3D3D2>throughout. > > > > I am looking into = Windows =3D >Remote =3D3D > >Desktop to=3D3D20 > > help with monitor/keyboard assignments. > > I expect to have 4 = monitors =3D >and two > =3D3D > > > > keyboard/mice combos with one KVM between comp 1 & =3D3D > >2. > > I'm about 2 = monitors, a =3D >Matrox =3D3D > >Triple Head 2 Go=3D3D20 > > and Kontakt away before I'm all the way there. > > > > Anyone see anything = =3D >blatantly wrong > =3D3D > >with my=3D3D20 > > design? I'm still Scoping it out! > > Thanks for your = =3D3D > >input, > > Tom > > > > > > I choose Polesoft Lockspam = to fight =3D >=3D3D > >spam, and=3D3D20 > > you? <A=3D3D20 > > =3D3D > =3D = >>href=3D3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com= /re=3D >fer=3D3D > >.html =3D3D > > > > > > > > > > > charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > > Heil, > No wireless for me. Just a =3D >crossover cable=3D20 >from one ethernet jack to the next. > LAN as I understand it is the = network =3D >via wired or=3D20 >wireless. > > That's about all I know except = speed of =3D >the=3D20 >ethernet card in each computer. > Tom ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 >style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = =3D >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> > "Neil" <href=3D3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com">OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote=3D20 > in message <A=3D20 > =3D = >href=3D3D"news:4554a417$1@linux">news:4554a417$1@linux... A= re =3D >you=3D20 > guys talking about WIRELESS networking of audio from one =3D >computer to=3D20 > another? (I'm a complete dunderhead when it comes = to networking =3D >concepts,=3D20 > so pardon my ignorance.) Can you really do=3D20 > this? Neil "Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D20 > = href=3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net"><a href="mailto:arpegio@comcast.n
;not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude</A'>mailt= o:know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude><B= R>=3D >=3D3D > =20 >wrote in=3D3D20 > > message =20 >href=3D3D3D"<A=20 = href=3D'news:45549ea7@linux">news:45549ea7@linux...</DIV'>news:45549e= a7@linux">news:45549ea7@linux... >&nbs= p;=20 > What = protocol/type of =3D >interface are =3D3D > = >you using=20 for=3D3D20 > > your=20 networking? > > =20 AA </FONT&gt ; > = > =20 > =20 style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:=20 5px; =3D >=3D3D > >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = solid;=20 MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> > > = "Tom=20 Bruhl" <<A=3D3D20 > > = href=3D3D3D"<A=20 = href=3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net"><a href="mailto:arpegio@comcast.net" targe
;<A=3D20 > href=3D3D"<A=20 = href=3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net>=3D20'>mailto= :arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net>=3D20 &g= t; =20 = wrote: > >&a mp;lt;BR>>Aaron,=3D3D20 & g= t;That's=20 the last step =3D >I'll be=3D20 > taking. and I = was hoping you=20 networkers =3D3D >might = =3D >help=3D20 > =20 me >with that. I was thinking the onboard LAN in the=20 ASUS=3D20 > A8R-MVPcomp #2 =3D3D >would do = to=20 a=3D3D20 >onboard ASUS =3D >A7N8X-X LAN = in=3D20 > =20 comp #3. I think a crossover cable should =3D3D >do=20 =3D >since >I'm=3D20 > not on the = internet with=20 any of my music rigs. > >Aar on is = =3D >there=20 a=3D20 > speed/functionality issue with this? Remember=20 = =3D >'simple' =3D3D &am p;gt;is=3D20 > = good for=20 me >as long as it=20 =3D >works. >Tom<BR&gt ;> >=20 =3D20 > "Aaron Allen" <<A=3D20 > =20 =3D >href=3D3D"<A=20 = href=3D'mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude</A'>mailt= o:know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude>=20 =3D >wrote in=3D20 > message=20 =3D3D >news:45549ea7@linux... > What=20 =3D >protocol/type of=3D20 > interface are you = using for your=20 networking? > =3D20 > = AA > >=20 "Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D20 > href=3D3D"<A=20 = href=3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A'>mailto:arpegi= o@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net>=20 wrote =3D >in message=3D20 > =20 =3D3D >news:45542b13$1@linux... > = Hey=3D20 > =20 guys, > I am no match for DJ when it comes to = =3D >this=20 but=3D20 > I am pursuing a = =3D3D >controllable version=20 of a monster=3D20 > setup. > > I = have a=20 master plan that is =3D >as=3D20 > simple as I can = figure to=20 pump Paris =3D3D >full of real-time=20 =3D >processing=3D20 > juice. = =3D3D20 > Here=20 it=3D20 > is. > > Comp #1: Paris = is=20 running =3D >very=3D20 > well on a XP P4 3.0 and = all the=20 =3D3D >goodies. 2=3D20 > = =3D >active >=20 =3D >; =3D20 > ADAT cards along with 32 A-D, D-As, = two SPDIFS=20 and =3D >a =3D3D >UA D-1 = stocked=3D20 > for=20 good measure. > > Comp #2:=20 =3D >Cubase=3D20 > Studio 4 on my new AMD 4800+ = Dualcore=20 with=3D20 > = =3D >=3D3D >Creamware<BR&a mp;gt;>=20 &nb=3D >sp; =3D20 > 14 chip Pro card with 20 = In/out and=20 Delta 66 w/4 x =3D3D >A-D, =3D >D-As and = one=3D20 > =20 SPDIF=3D20 > =3D >in/out,=3D3D20 > = =3D >;=20 =3D20 > FX-Teleport Host to comp below linked by=20 100mbps=3D20 > = =3D3D >LAN. &gt ; >=20 Comp #3: Spare =3D >AMD 3000+=3D20 > waiting for a = FX-Teleport=20 Client link to =3D3D >Cubase comp=3D20 > =20 =3D >#2 > &nb=3D >sp; = =3D20 > via 100mbps=20 LAN. This guy will take up the slack =3D3D >for = =3D >the=20 Cubase=3D20 > rig if need = be. > > My=20 application is =3D >for heavy=3D20 > use of = Kontakt, multiple=20 softsynths and =3D3D >surely Creamware = =3D >plugs=20 of=3D20 > all sorts. =3D3D20 > Music styles = ranging from=20 =3D >rock, heavy=3D20 > synth, orchestral and=20 =3D3D >sometimes in between all of=3D20 > =20 those. > > My goal is to have=20 =3D >solid/stable=3D20 > performance by not = abusing any one=20 =3D3D >computer in the=3D20 > = network. >=20 Also to maintain an almost =3D >unlimited = amount=3D20 > of=20 close to real-time =3D3D >processing = power=3D20 > =20 throughout. > & gt; I am looking into = =3D >Windows=20 Remote=3D20 > Desktop to help with=20 =3D3D >monitor/keyboard=3D20 > =20 assignments. > I expect to have 4 monitors and=20 =3D >two=3D20 > keyboard/mice combos with one=20 =3D3D >KVM between comp 1 &=3D20 > = 2. >=20 I'm about 2 monitors, a Matrox Triple =3D >Head 2 = Go=3D20 > =20 and Kontakt away =3D3D >before I'm all the = way=3D20 > =20 there. > > Anyone see anything blatantly=20 =3D >wrong=3D20 > with my design? I'm still=20 =3D3D >Scoping it=3D20 > out! > = Thanks for=20 your=3D20 > input, > =3D20 > =20 = Tom=3D3D20 > &g t; > >&l t;BR&= gt;>=20 I =3D >choose=3D20 > Polesoft Lockspam to fight = spam, and=20 you? > > = =3D >href=3D3D"<A=20 = href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer= '>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A= >=3D >.html=20 =3D20 > > >< !DOCTYPE HTML = PUBLIC=20 "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=3D20 > =20 = Transitional//EN" > > &l t;HEAD> >= <META=3D20 > =20 http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type = content=3D3D3D"text/html;=3D20 > =20 = =3D3D >charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1"> ><META=20 =3D >content=3D3D3D"MSHTML=3D20 > =20 6.00.2800.1400"=3D20 > =20 = =3D >name=3D3D3DGENERATOR> &g t; </STYLE&= gt; ></HEA=3D >D> ><BODY=3D20 &= gt; =20 bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff> >& lt;DIV><FONT=20 face=3D3D3DArial=3D20 > size=3D3D3D2>Aaron,=20 = =3D > <BR& amp;gt;> <FONT=3D2= 0 > =20 face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>That's the last step I'll be=20 =3D >=3D3D >taking.=3D20 > = =3D3D20 > and I=20 was hoping you networkers might help=3D20 > =20 me&a
ping the Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds from tearing each other up. Now it looks like that will happen anyway. The problem there is so huge and complicated, that I don't have hope anyone can "fix" it. We didn't create the "real" problem though. We just removed Hussein so the various divisions in Iraq could get back to their centuries old civil war unimpeded. I don't believe being tough with terrorists should be our only course of action. We need to explore all avenues to work toward better relations in the Middle East, and all around the world. Take care of protecting ourselves right now, and I'm all over the making friends thing. I must have mis-interpreted your "wacky beliefs of a few terrorists" statement. I thought you were implying that our risk from terrorists is not real, or something we need not aggressively address. I have a hypothetical question for you Jamie. If by some miracle we could reverse all the failed policy and all of our mis-steps, Israel went away, basically remove any and all reasons for the terrorists to hate us, what if after all that, they still hate us and want us dead? What if it really is a war of ideology? What if the "infidels" really must convert or die? What then? I don't wish anyone to die by war, aggression or violence, but at what point do we decide to either fight or lay down and wait to die. I pray to God that this isn't the case. I hope somehow we can find common ground and live in peace with everyone. I haven't heard the terrorists ever express this option though. I anticipate your response, but will refrain from replying back. You have much greater debating skills than I, and besides, I've already broken my promise not to get involved in political threads. I'm such an opinionated ass! ;>) With Respect, Tony "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4554d313@linux... > > Hey Tony, > > I never said anything about "a few wacky terrorists." > > I was speaking of the wacky beliefs of a few terrorists, a very different > concept. > > If we act in our best interest and the leadership of al-Qaeda happens > think we're being "weak" in so doing, it would be stupid for us to be > thusly manipulated to act to our detriment just to impress those few > terrorists. > > We should act out of strength of purpose, clear vision and as much wisdom > as we can gather, being true to our ideals, regardless of the wacky > beliefs of a few terrorists. > > More than one expert on the region has criticized our lack of long term > preplanning in Iraq before going in. We're now in a situation that the > current (for the moment) policy architects did not anticipate nor prepare > for, and it's not a great situation. Many lives lost and $300 billion tax > dollars later, more lives and dollars every day, significant tax money > unaccounted for, Iran gaining influence in Iraq, these sorts of > consequences have been a significant factor in this election. Voters are > asking hard questions, as well they should. > > Our various policies directly affect the region and so we must carefully > consider their effect. We will never have perfect intelligence systems, a > perfectly impenetrable border, flawless law enforcement and a blanket > defense against everything nor can we afford that. We can work in that > direction within what we can afford but we must also work in other > directions to help create peace. There is a balance. Anyone who preaches > that there is only ONE avenue of action is probably making money on that > avenue or listening to someone who does. > > Yes you can recognize the possibility of additional attacks on the US > without subscribing to the notion that we have to behave shortsightedly > and predictably in order to impress a few terrorists with our > "non-weakness." > > Consider that that kind of stubbornness and inability to see creative > solutions can actually make us miss opportunities to become stronger and > more successful, and to help create a better situation for ourselves and > for people who live in the region. > > Am I being more clear? > > Cheers, > -Jamie > www.JamieKrutz.com > > > Tony Benson wrote: >> Jamie, >> >> I didn't imply that you were "blind, deaf and dumb". I respect your >> discourse, and strong defense of your views. I just feel the current >> situation involves more than "a few wacky terrorists". Also, just >> because I recognize there is a real, and likely threat of more attacks >> here in the US, doesn't mean I'm an "overcompensating insecure >> spendthrift fool undercutting our own democracy with shifty eyed abject >> fear". I do understand though that this isn't some war between two >> countries, where we can "negotiate" an end to hostilities, or simply drop >> our support for Israel, or change our policy and make everything better. >> Whether it was decades of failed U.S. policy or not, these people want us >> dead right now, and we have to be proactive. Once we do something >> significant about our boarders and make sure we have the absolute best >> intelligence, defense, and law enforcement agencies money can buy, then >> we can talk about long term programs to make everyone "like us". Sorry, >> gotta go. It's lower body workout day. I have to be in shape for all that >> "knee jerking"! ;>) >> >> Tony >> >> >> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45544bcc@linux... >>> DJ wrote: >>>>> Jamie wrote: >>>>> like overcompensating insecure >>>> spendthrift fools while undercutting our own democracy with shifty eyed >>>> abject fear - IOW, becoming terrorized. Fear sells, but maybe, just >>>> maybe, we're better than that. >>>> >>>> and a healthy fear of a real threat will keep you alive whereas you can >>>> die by living in the fantasy world of an idealistic anachronism, or you >>>> can face reality, deal with it for the time being and have something >>>> left to argue over once the dust clears. >>> Those are two of many choices. Black and white in a multi-colored world. >>> >>> Concern and awareness are useful when focused to motivate planning and >>> forethought that translates into appropriate action, no dispute from me >>> on that. You can call that "healthy fear" if you like, at the risk of >>> confusing it with unhealthy fear. >>> >>> It's dangerously possible, through fear, to react with insufficient >>> thought and understanding, and make a bad situation worse. >>> >>> Ask a military planner. Fear is the path to panic, not the basis for >>> sound policy or strategy. Ask any dictator, fear is an effective way to >>> enslave. >>> >>> "...the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" FDR in another >>> context. >>> >>> At any rate, it would be inaccurate to imply that anyone who doesn't >>> agree with a particular course of action is blind, deaf and dumb to >>> potential threats. Not a true nor useful characterization. Divisive at >>> best. And dividing ourselves IS one road to defeat. >>> >>> It's important to recognize what hasn't worked, to be open to better >>> ideas. So we can, together, find solutions that help our country and our >>> planet achieve peace. >>> >>> The first step toward getting out of a hole is to stop digging. That may >>> be one message of this election. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> -Jamie >>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>> >>> >>> >>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message >>>> news:45541a10@linux... >>>>> Sure, I hope you're wrong, too, Deej. Like me, you've been wrong >>>>> before so there's reason to hope. ;^) >>>>> >>>>> The prediction that we will be attacked again has been made many times >>>>> before this election. And if/when we are attacked next it will >>>>> probably have been planned before this election. >>>>> >>>>> But should it happen I'm sure a lot of cable TV blatherers will tell >>>>> you it's the fault of this election anyway. Flawed logic is still >>>>> logic and there's no goat like a scapegoat when the blatherers don't >>>>> want to face the possibility of other causes, like poorly considered >>>>> policy and action by whoever's not being scapegoated. >>>>> >>>>> We've suffered al-Qaeda attacks under both Democratic and Republican >>>>> presidents. Worse under Republicans with 9/11, but go ahead and blame >>>>> BOTH the Clinton and Bush Jr. administrations, or if it really makes >>>>> you feel better, just blame Clinton and give Bush a pass. >>>>> >>>>> Personally I can blame foreign policy back at least to WWI for >>>>> contributing to the setup of this situation. So IMO there's plenty of >>>>> blame to go around through many administrations in both major >>>>> parties - for those times we're in a blaming mood. >>>>> >>>>> For those times when we can get BEYOND being in a blaming mood, the >>>>> assumption that one party or another is eager to invite attack is >>>>> presumptuous. Surely there are at least a few real patriots left in >>>>> BOTH major parties AND the minor parties. >>>>> >>>>> There are different ways to attempt to meet any threat, diffuse the >>>>> threat and find solutions for any situation. Maybe, just maybe, we'll >>>>> get some further options on the table now to meet this threat, and >>>>> maybe, just maybe, they'll work better than the current approach which >>>>> has hardly been flawless. >>>>> >>>>> Whatever we do, let's not allow ourselves to be manipulated by >>>>> terrorists into strutting around acting like overcompensating insecure >>>>> spendthrift fools while undercutting our own democracy with shifty >>>>> eyed abject fear - IOW, becoming terrorized. Fear sells, but maybe, >>>>> just maybe, we're better than that. >>>>> >>>>> The best way to be strong is to come together, work together and >>>>> choose from the widest array of effective options. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> -Jamie >>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> DJ wrote: >>>>>>> IOW, anyone who fails to take worthwhile action because of a >>>>>>> perception that it will make them "seem weak" to someone else, is >>>>>>> not smart enough >>>>>> to be running foreign policy.< >>>>>> >>>>>> perception of weakenss is invitation to attack, plain and simple and >>>>>> we are now (especially now) perceived as weak and undecided. I'm >>>>>> predicting that we are going to be catastrophically attacked soon and >>>>>> that it will come as a result iof an intelligence failure due to >>>>>> democrats restricting the ability of the NSA to wiretap. I hope I'm >>>>>> wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:45538a31@linux... >>>>>>> I'm referring to any US leader who bases their policy on pleasing or >>>>>>&
;Basic process (from an unmodified XP theme) Click start > settings >control panel In the control panel, double click the "network connections" icon In the new window that appears, should be something list under LAN OR HIGH SPEED, usually "Local area Connection" Right click on that connection and choose "properties" from the drop down menu. In the new window that appears, there is a configure button. Click on it. THen click on the "advanced" tab What you will see will vary depending on the Lan card and its driver. You are lookng for three things in the list of parameters; link speed, duplex, and flow control. Sometimes speed an duplex are combined. I'd get the recommendation from FX-teleport for duplex and flow control settings. My recommendation is: Speed: 100 (or 1000 if available) Duplex: full (as opposed to half) Flowcontrol: disabled Also got to the "power management" tab and turn off power management. Make sure both machines are configured exactly the same for these three parametes. Once this is all done Click "ok" once. On the Local area connections properties page (you should have returned there), there's a box with the following heading "This connection uses the following items". Scroll, usually to the bottom, and you'll find the "internet protocol (TCP/IP)". Click on it and click on the "properties" button below. On the general page that appears, select the "use the following ip address" radio button. Here's a config that will work for each machine Comp 2 IP address: 192.168.1.2 Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0 Comp 3 IP Address: 192.168.1.3 Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0 Gateway and DNS information is unnecessary, because you will not be going to the internet. Click "ok" and click "close". Stay on the network connections box to start verification. TO test the connection once both are configured, from computer 2, first connect the crossover cable. Look in the network connections boax and verify that status is connected for your local area connection. If it is, great, if not, go back and verify the link speed, duplex, and flow control are exactl yhe same on bothe machines. If status is connected, click start>run and type in cmd the click ok. In the black command prompt box type (without quotes) "ping 192.168.1.3" If you used the recommended address on computers 2 and three, this should cause you to get replies. Lots o steps, but it is pretty complete. If it's too confusing, let me know, and we can look at a live walk thru once you have both mahcines setup. Jeff Tom Bruhl wrote: > Jeff, > Xp Pro on the #2 and probably XP pro on #3 or maybe Home, I havent done it yet. > Tom > "Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:4554df76@linux... > What OS is on each machine? > > JH > > Tom Bruhl wrote: > > Jeff, > > Thanks! A step by step would be great since I've only done this a few times > > with varying results. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. > > Tom > > > > > > "Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:4554cd42@linux... > > Tom, > > > > Crosover cable should be fine. Just make sure on each computer you > > force the configuration rather than let it "auto detect". You'll find > > this by going to the network control panel. If you're using IP, you'll > > have to manually set the ip address and make sure they're on the same > > subnet. > > > > Let me know if you need a specific example. > > > > > > Jeff > > > > Tom Bruhl wrote: > > > Heil, > > > No wireless for me. Just a crossover cable from one ethernet jack to the next. > > > LAN as I understand it is the network via wired or wireless. > > > > > > That's about all I know except speed of the ethernet card in each computer. > > > Tom > > > "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4554a417$1@linux... > > > > > > Are you guys talking about WIRELESS networking of audio from one computer > > > to another? (I'm a complete dunderhead when it comes to > > > networking concepts, so pardon my ignorance.) > > > > > > Can you really do this? > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >Aaron,=20 > > > >That's the last step I'll be taking. and I was hoping you networkers = > > > >might help me > > > >with that. I was thinking the onboard LAN in the ASUS A8R-MVPcomp #2 = > > > >would do to a=20 > > > >onboard ASUS A7N8X-X LAN in comp #3. I think a crossover cable should = > > > >do since > > > >I'm not on the internet with any of my music rigs. > > > > > > > >Aaron is there a speed/functionality issue with this? Remember 'simple' > > > = > > > >is good for me > > > >as long as it works. > > > >Tom > > > > > > > > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message = > > > >news:45549ea7@linux... > > > > What protocol/type of interface are you using for your networking? > > > > AA > > > > > > > > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message = > > > >news:45542b13$1@linux... > > > > Hey guys, > > > > I am no match for DJ when it comes to this but I am pursuing a = > > > >controllable version of a monster setup. > > > > > > > > I have a master plan that is as simple as I can figure to pump Paris > > > = > > > >full of real-time processing juice. =20 > > > > Here it is. > > > > > > > > Comp #1: Paris is running very well on a XP P4 3.0 and all the = > > > >goodies. 2 active > > > > ADAT cards along with 32 A-D, D-As, two SPDIFS and a > > > = > > > >UAD-1 stocked for good measure. > > > > > > > > Comp #2: Cubase Studio 4 on my new AMD 4800+ Dualcore with = > > > >Creamware > > > > 14 chip Pro card with 20 In/out and Delta 66 w/4 x = > > > >A-D, D-As and one SPDIF in/out,=20 > > > > FX-Teleport Host to comp below linked by 100mbps = > > > >LAN. > > > > > > > > Comp #3: Spare AMD 3000+ waiting for a FX-Teleport Client link to = > > > >Cubase comp #2 > > > > via 100mbps LAN. This guy will take up the slack = > > > >for the Cubase rig if need be. > > > > > > > > My application is for heavy use of Kontakt, multiple softsynths and > > > = > > > >surely Creamware plugs of all sorts. =20 > > > > Music styles ranging from rock, heavy synth, orchestral and = > > > >sometimes in between all of those. > > > > > > > > My goal is to have solid/stable performance by not abusing any one = > > > >computer in the network. > > > > Also to maintain an almost unlimited amount of close to real-time = > > > >processing power throughout. > > > > > > > > I am looking into Windows Remote Desktop to help with = > > > >monitor/keyboard assignments. > > > > I expect to have 4 monitors and two keyboard/mice combos with one = > > > >KVM between comp 1 & 2. > > > > I'm about 2 monitors, a Matrox Triple Head 2 Go and Kontakt away = > > > >before I'm all the way there. > > > > > > > > Anyone see anything blatantly wrong with my design? I'm still = > > > >Scoping it out! > > > > Thanks for your input, > > > > Tom=20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you? > > > > http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > That's the last step I'll be = > > > >taking. =20 > > > > and I was hoping you networkers might help me > > > > with that. I was thinking the = > > > >onboard LAN in=20 > > > >the ASUS A8R-MVPcomp #2 would do to a > > > > onboard ASUS A7N8X-X LAN in = > > > > > > >size=3D2>comp #3. I think a crossover cable should do = > > > >since > > > > I'm not on the internet with any of my > > > = > > > >music=20 > > > >rigs. > > > > > > > > Aaron is there a speed/functionality = > > > >issue with=20 > > > >this? Remember 'simple' is good for me > > > > as long as it works. > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > >style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = > > > >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> > > > > "Aaron Allen" <<A=20 > > > > = > > > >href=3D"mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude> = > > > >wrote in=20 > > > > message > > >href=3D"news:45549ea7@linux">news:45549ea7@linux... > > > > What protocol/type of interface are = > > > >you using for=20 > > > > your networking? > > > > AA > > > > > > > style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = > > > >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> > > > > "Tom Bruhl" <<A=20 > > > > href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net> = > > > >wrote in=20 > > > > message > > >href=3D"news:45542b13$1@linux">news:45542b13$1@linux... > > > > Hey guys, > > > > I am no match for DJ when it comes > > > = > > > >to this but=20 > > > > I am pursuing a controllable version of a monster = > > > >setup. > > > > > > > > I have a master plan that is as = > > > >simple as I can=20 > > > > figure to pump Paris full of = > > > >real-time=20 > > > > processing juice. > > > > Here it is. > > > > > > > > Comp #1: Paris is running = > > > >very well on a=20 > > > > XP P4 3.0 and all the goodies. 2 active > > > > > > > = > > > >size=3D2> &nbs= > > > >p; =20 > > > > ADAT cards along with 32 A-D, D-As, two SPDIFS and a UAD-1 stocked = > > > >for=20 > > > > good measure. > > > > > > > > Comp #2: Cubase Studio 4 on = > > > >my new AMD=20 > > > > 4800+ Dualcore with Creamware > > > > > > > = > > > >size=3D2> &nbs= > > > >p; 14=20 > > > > chip Pro card with 20 In/out and Delta 66 w/4 x A-D, = > > > >D-As=20 > > > > and one SPDIF in/out, > > > > > > > = > > > >size=3D2> &nbs= > > > >p; =20 > > > > FX-Teleport Host to comp below > > > size=3D2> linked by 100mbps LAN. > > > > > > > > Comp #3: Spare AMD 3000+ = > > > >waiting for a=20 > > > > FX-Teleport Client link to Cubase comp #2 > > > > > > > = > > > >size=3D2> &nbs= > > > >p; =20 > > > > via 100mbps LAN. This guy will take up the slack for the = > > > >Cubase=20 > > > > rig if need be. > > > > > > > > My application is for heavy use of > > > = > > > >Kontakt,=20 > > > > multiple softsynths and surely Creamware > > > size=3D2>plugs of all sorts. > > > > Music styles ranging from rock, = > > > >heavy synth,=20 > > > > orchestral and sometimes in = > > > >between all=20 > > > > of those. > > > > > > > > My goal is to have solid/stable = > > > >performance by=20 > > > > not abusing any one computer in the network. > > > > Also to maintain an almost = > > > >unlimited amount of=20 > > > > close to real-time processing power > > > size=3D2>throughout. > > > > > > > > I am looking into Windows Remote = > > > >Desktop to=20 > > > > help with monitor/keyboard assignments. > > > > I expect to have 4 monitors and two > > > = > > > > > > > > keyboard/mice combos with one KVM between comp 1 & = > > > >2. > > > > I'm about 2 monitors, a Matrox = > > > >Triple Head 2 Go=20 > > > > and Kontakt away before I'm all the way there. > > > > > > > > Anyone see anything blatantly wrong > > > = > > > >with my=20 > > > > design? I'm still Scoping it out! > > > > Thanks for your = > > > >input, > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > &
and Kontakt away = >>before I'm all the way there. >> >> Anyone see anything blatantly wrong with my design? I'm still = >>Scoping it out! >> Thanks for your input, >> Tom=20 >> >> >> >> >> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you? >> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html >> >> >> >> >charset=3Diso-8859-1"> >> >> >> >> >> Aaron, >> That's the last step I'll be = >>taking. =20 >> and I was hoping you networkers might help me >> with that. I was thinking the = >>onboard LAN in=20 >>the ASUS A8R-MVPcomp #2 would do to a >> onboard ASUS A7N8X-X LAN in = >>>size=3D2>comp #3. I think a crossover cable should do = >>since >> I'm not on the internet with any of my > = >>music=20 >>rigs. >> >> Aaron is there a speed/functionality = >>issue with=20 >>this? Remember 'simple' is good for me >> as long as it works. >> Tom >> >> >style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = >>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> >> "Aaron Allen" <<A=20 >> = >>href=3D"mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude> = >>wrote in=20 >> message >href=3D"news:45549ea7@linux">news:45549ea7@linux... >> What protocol/type of interface are = >>you using for=20 >> your networking? >> AA >> > style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = >>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> >> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=20 >> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net> = >>wrote in=20 >> message >href=3D"news:45542b13$1@linux">news:45542b13$1@linux... >> Hey guys, >> I am no match for DJ when it comes > = >>to this but=20 >> I am pursuing a controllable version of a monster = >>setup. >> >> I have a master plan that is as = >>simple as I can=20 >> figure to pump Paris full of = >>real-time=20 >> processing juice. >> Here it is. >> >> Comp #1: Paris is running = >>very well on a=20 >> XP P4 3.0 and all the goodies. 2 active >> > = >>size=3D2> &nbs= >>p; =20 >> ADAT cards along with 32 A-D, D-As, two SPDIFS and a UAD-1 stocked = >>for=20 >> good measure. >> >> Comp #2: Cubase Studio 4 on = >>my new AMD=20 >> 4800+ Dualcore with Creamware >> > = >>size=3D2> &nbs= >>p; 14=20 >> chip Pro card with 20 In/out and Delta 66 w/4 x A-D, = >>D-As=20 >> and one SPDIF in/out, >> > = >>size=3D2> &nbs= >>p; =20 >> FX-Teleport Host to comp below> size=3D2> linked by 100mbps LAN. >> >> Comp #3: Spare AMD 3000+ = >>waiting for a=20 >> FX-Teleport Client link to Cubase comp #2 >> > = >>size=3D2> &nbs= >>p; =20 >> via 100mbps LAN. This guy will take up the slack for the = >>Cubase=20 >> rig if need be. >> >> My application is for heavy use of > = >>Kontakt,=20 >> multiple softsynths and surely Creamware > size=3D2>plugs of all sorts. >> Music styles ranging from rock, = >>heavy synth,=20 >> orchestral and sometimes in = >>between all=20 >> of those. >> >> My goal is to have solid/stable = >>performance by=20 >> not abusing any one computer in the network. >> Also to maintain an almost = >>unlimited amount of=20 >> close to real-time processing power > size=3D2>throughout. >> >> I am looking into Windows Remote = >>Desktop to=20 >> help with monitor/keyboard assignments. >> I expect to have 4 monitors and two > = >> >> keyboard/mice combos with one KVM between comp 1 & = >>2. >> I'm about 2 monitors, a Matrox = >>Triple Head 2 Go=20 >> and Kontakt away before I'm all the way there. >> >> Anyone see anything blatantly wrong > = >>with my=20 >> design? I'm still Scoping it out! >> Thanks for your = >>input, >> Tom >> >> >> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight = >>spam, and=20 >> you? <A=20 >> = >>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer= >>.html = >> >> >> >Hey Tony, Tony Benson wrote: > Like I said Jamie, once we get a handle on at least fixing the big holes in > our homeland security we can then work on long term solutions to why they > hate us so. Hell, I don't even care if we work on the long term at the same > time, just get to work on the immediate security stuff now. > > Yes, we should act in our best interest. I believe appearing weak to > terrorists will not be in our best interest. I'm sorry, I'll have to agree > to disagree with you on this point. So if a terrorist said "jump or you're weak" you'd jump? Or would THAT be a sign of weakness? I say jumping at the behest of terrorists is a sign of weakness and a way to cede control to terrorists. > Iraq has been a dismal abyss. Saddam ruled with a genocidal iron fist, and > it appears that was the only thing keeping the Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds > from tearing each other up. Now it looks like that will happen anyway. The > problem there is so huge and complicated, that I don't have hope anyone can > "fix" it. We didn't create the "real" problem though. We just removed > Hussein so the various divisions in Iraq could get back to their centuries > old civil war unimpeded. Kinda, but don't forget that modern day Iraq was imposed from the outside by others: "Iraq was carved out of the Ottoman Empire by the French and British as agreed in the Sykes-Picot Agreement. On 11 November 1920 it became a League of Nations mandate under British control with the name "State of Iraq". The British government laid out the political and constitutional framework for Iraq's government. Britain imposed a Hāshimite monarchy on Iraq and defined the territorial limits of Iraq without taking into account the aspirations of the different ethnic and religious groups in the country, in particular those of the Kurds to the north. Britain had to put down a major revolt against its policies between 1920 and 1922." More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iraq And don't forget that Saddam came to power with our help and assistance, as part of our cold war policies: "In 1958, a year after Saddam had joined the Ba'ath party, army officers led by General Abdul Karim Qassim overthrew Faisal II of Iraq. The Ba'athists opposed the new government, and in 1959, Saddam was involved in the attempted United States-backed plot to assassinate Qassim.[12] Saddam was shot in the leg, but escaped to Tikrit with the help of CIA and Egyptian intelligence agents. Saddam then crossed into Syria and was transferred to Beirut for a brief CIA training course. From there he moved to Cairo where he made frequent visits to the American embassy. During this time the CIA placed him in a upper-class apartment observed by CIA and Egyptian operatives. (UPI 'analysis' article) He was sentenced to death in absentia. Saddam studied law at the Cairo University during his exile. Rise to power Concerned about Qassim's growing ties to Communists, the CIA gave assistance to the Ba'ath Party and other regime opponents.[5] Army officers with ties to the Ba'ath Party overthrew Qassim in a coup in 1963. Ba'athist leaders were appointed to the cabinet and Abdul Salam Arif became president. Arif dismissed and arrested the Ba'athist leaders later that year. Saddam returned to Iraq, but was imprisoned in 1964. He escaped prison in 1967 and quickly became a leading member of the party. In 1968, Saddam participated in a bloodless coup led by Ahmad Hassan al-Bakr that overthrew Abdul Rahman Arif. al-Bakr was named president and Saddam was named his deputy. Saddam soon became the regime's strongman. According to biographers, Saddam never forgot the tensions within the first Ba'athist government, which informed his measures to promote Ba'ath party unity as well as his ruthless resolve to maintain power and programs to ensure social stability." More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein > I don't believe being tough with terrorists should be our only course of > action. We need to explore all avenues to work toward better relations in > the Middle East, and all around the world. Take care of protecting ourselves > right now, and I'm all over the making friends thing. > > I must have mis-interpreted your "wacky beliefs of a few terrorists" > statement. I thought you were implying that our risk from terrorists is not > real, or something we need not aggressively address. Sure it's real. And it's intertwined with Western involvement in the region as mentioned above. Forget that and you lose sight of reality and end up in a blind boogieman fight. The danger there is the boogieman becomes this unknown terror that can grow in your head. This way lies madness. If both sides do that, and they have to some extent, it becomes an escalating hatfield mccoy thing, as in Israel - with no end in sight and the whole world eventually in the balance. > I have a hypothetical question for you Jamie. If by some miracle we could > reverse all the failed policy and all of our mis-steps, Israel went away, > basically remove any and all reasons for the terrorists to hate us, what if > after all that, they still hate us and want us dead? What if it really is a > war of ideology? What if the "infidels" really must convert or die? What > then? I don't wish anyone to die by war, aggression or violence, but at what > point do we decide to either fight or lay down and wait to die. I pray to > God that this isn't the case. I hope somehow we can find common ground and > live in peace with everyone. I haven't heard the terrorists ever express > this option though. There have been statements but it's hard to put much stake in them. However you can likely read them for yourself on the net, it's at least interesting to see what Osama's stated reasons are for using terrorist actions, and what he says it would take to make them stop. Keeping in mind that he has lied before. However it is important to understand the needs of people in the region so we don't inadvertently walk into the trap of setting ourselves up as the perceived bad guys, thus encouraging what we don't want, which is more people being convinced to join al-Qaeda. Have you ever seen the sorcerer's apprentice bit in Fantasia? Good intentions and amazing power isn't enough, we have to be smart about our policies. We have to understand the power we wield and be as aware and as proactive as possible about unintended consequences. There are interesting tidbits here, including rumors of Osama's death: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden As to your question, I am not interested in reliving the crusades now, in the year 2006. I think very few people are, unless whipped up into self righteous fervor by ardent nationalism to the point of jingoism, (in place of patriotism). Whipped up for the benefit of some wannabe despot or someone's short term financial gain at great expense to the world. I think we may finally be getting to the point where such intentions can be seen through. The challenge is to recognize and head that stuff off. Be aware of the tools of dictatorship anywhere such manipulations appear. But since you asked, I will not convert forcibly to anyone else's religion. Not Osama's take on it nor Bob Jone's take on it. And I'd thank any corrupt or ignorant politicians, wannabe despots, wannabe afterlife virgin collectors and ill-informed uberfundamentalists everywhere to quit fighting and killing each other over matters of God. How absurd, ironic and pathetic. Live with integrity, find your potential, walk your spiritual path and respect the rights of others to do the same. I believe in freedom of religion, which is guaranteed by our constitution and is our right in any case. Believe what you feel is true, but respect the right of others to do so as well. Be free to talk and listen, communication is essential and freedom of speech is another basic human right. But remember that your right to swing your fist ends before my face begins. Don't tread on me, bucko. I also believe in personal responsibility. Mine and that of every citizen that wants our great experiment to continue. We face threats to our system both external and internal and must be ever vigilant. We must be proactive, intelligent and constantly educate ourselves using multiple sources. We must not be manipulated into betraying our rights. Yep I believe in freedom. Don't even think of taking that away. If you agree, let's stand together. > I anticipate your response, but will refrain from replying back. You have > much greater debating skills than I, and besides, I've already broken my > promise not to get involved in political threads. I'm such an opinionated > ass! ;>) Opinions are great, thanks for sharing. And listening. I appreciate the conversation. United we stand. We have work to do. Cheers, -Jamie www.JamieKrutz.com > With Respect, > > Tony > > > > "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4554d313@linux... >> Hey Tony, >> >> I never said anything about "a few wacky terrorists." >> >> I was speaking of the wacky beliefs of a few terrorists, a very different >> concept. >> >> If we act in our best interest and the leadership of al-Qaeda happens >> think we're being "weak" in so doing, it would be stupid for us to be >> thusly manipulated to act to our detriment just to impress those few >> terrorists. >> >> We should act out of strength of purpose, clear vision and as much wisdom >> as we can gather, being true to our ideals, regardless of the wacky >> beliefs of a few terrorists. >> >> More than one expert on the region has criticized our lack of long term >> preplanning in Iraq before going in. We're now in a situation that the >> current (for the moment) policy architects did not anticipate nor prepare >> for, and it's not a great situation. Many lives lost and $300 billion tax >> dollars later, more lives and dollars every day, significant tax money >> unaccounted for, Iran gaining influence in Iraq, these sorts of >> consequences have been a significant factor in this election. Voters are >> asking hard questions, as well they should. >> >> Our various policies directly affect the region and so we must carefully >> consider their effect. We will never have perfect intelligence systems, a >> perfectly impenetrable border, flawless law enforcement and a blanket >> defense against everything nor can we afford that. We can work in that >> direction within what we can afford but we must also work in other >> directions to help create peace. There is a balance. Anyone who preaches >> that there is only ONE avenue of action is probably making money on that >> avenue or listening to someone who does. >> >> Yes you can recognize the possibility of additional attacks on the US >> without subscribing to the notion that we have to behave shortsightedly >> and predictably in order to impress a few terrorists with our >> "non-weakness." >> >> Consider that that kind of stubbornness and inability to see creative >> solutions can actually make us miss opportunities to become stronger and >> more successful, and to help create a better situation for ourselves and >> for people who live in the region. >> >> Am I being more clear? >> >> Cheers, >> -Jamie >> www.JamieKrutz.com >> >> >> Tony Benson wrote: >>> Jamie, >>> >>> I didn't imply that you were "blind, deaf and dumb". I respect your >>> discourse, and strong defense of your views. I just feel the current >>> situation involves more than "a few wacky terrorists". Also, just >>> because I recognize there is a real, and likely threat of more attacks >>> here in the US, doesn't mean I'm an "overcompensating insecure >>> spendthrift fool undercutting our own democracy with shifty eyed abject >>> fear". I do understand though that this isn't some war between two >>> countries, where we can "negotiate" an end to hostilities, or simply drop >>> our support for Israel, or change our policy and make everything better. >>> Whether it was decades of failed U.S. policy or not, these people want us >>> dead right now, and we have to be proactive. Once we do something >>> significant about our boarders and make sure we have the absolute best >>> intelligence, defense, and law enforcement agencies money can buy, then >>> we can talk about long term programs to make everyone "like us". Sorry, >>> gotta go. It's lower body workout day. I have to be in shape for all that >>> "knee jerking"! ;>) >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> >>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45544bcc@linux... >>>> DJ wrote: >>>>>> Jamie wrote: >>>>>> like overcompensating insecure >>>>> spendthrift fools while undercutting our own democracy with shifty eyed >>>>> abject fear - IOW, becoming terrorized.
be, just maybe, we'll >>>>>> get some further options on the table now to meet this threat, and >>>>>> maybe, just maybe, they'll work better than the current approach which >>>>>> has hardly been flawless. >>>>>> >>>>>> Whatever we do, let's not allow ourselves to be manipulated by >>>>>> terrorists into strutting around acting like overcompensating insecure >>>>>> spendthrift fools while undercutting our own democracy with shifty >>>>>> eyed abject fear - IOW, becoming terrorized. Fear sells, but maybe, >>>>>> just maybe, we're better than that. >>>>>> >>>>>> The best way to be strong is to come together, work together and >>>>>> choose from the widest array of effective options. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> -Jamie >>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> DJ wrote: >>>>>>>> IOW, anyone who fails to take worthwhile action because of a >>>>>>>> perception that it will make them "seem weak" to someone else, is >>>>>>>> not smart enough >>>>>>> to be running foreign policy.< >>>>>>> >>>>>>> perception of weakenss is invitation to attack, plain and simple and >>>>>>> we are now (especially now) perceived as weak and undecided. I'm >>>>>>> predicting that we are going to be catastrophically attacked soon and >>>>>>> that it will come as a result iof an intelligence failure due to >>>>>>> democrats restricting the ability of the NSA to wiretap. I hope I'm >>>>>>> wrong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:45538a31@linux... >>>>>>>> I'm referring to any US leader who bases their policy on pleasing or >>>>>>>> not pleasing terrorists. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> IOW, anyone who fails to take worthwhile action because of a >>>>>>>> perception that it will make them "seem weak" to someone else, is >>>>>>>> not smart enough to be running foreign policy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In individual cases it may or may not make sense to employ diplomacy >>>>>>>> and negotiation. That judgment cannot be wisely made by anyone who >>>>>>>> lets themselves be controlled by knee-jerk thinking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> -Jamie >>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tony Benson wrote: >>>>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:455374c4@linux... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We also need leadership that won't let the wacky beliefs of a few >>>>>>>>>> terrorists directly control their course of action (or inaction). >>>>>>>>> Jamie, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are you referring to those few wacky terroists who killed over >>>>>>>>> 3,000 innocent people in the World Trade Centers, crashed a jumbo >>>>>>>>> jet into our Pentagon, and, but for the extreme courage of some >>>>>>>>> passengers, almost flew a jumbo jet into our White House or Capital >>>>>>>>> Building? Those wacky terroists? Maybe it's that wacky president >>>>>>>>> over in Iran who wants to "wipe Isreal from the face of the >>>>>>>>> planet". You know, the one enriching all the uranium. I disagree >>>>>>>>> with plenty of the Republicans and the Presidents actions, >>>>>>>>> policies, etc., but being tough with terroists is one area we can't >>>>>>>>> waiver. These people want to kill us. I'm affraid nothing short of >>>>>>>>> a few smuggled in soviet nukes going off is going to make this >>>>>>>>> clear to people. Too bad it'll be too late at that point. Sorry for >>>>>>>>> the drama, but this one thing more than any other scares me sick. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tony >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> DJ wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up >>>>>>>>>>> with trillions >>>>>>>>>>> of dollars borrowed from countries like China? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely not....and who praytell, gave China the jumpstart that >>>>>>>>>>> vaulted them into the position they are in nowadays? >>>>>>>>>> Nixon. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's bad enough that we have placed ourselves in the position >>>>>>>>>>>> that we need a constant flow of mideast >>>>>>>>>>> oil to keep our economy going.< >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I agree. A president with some foresight would have recognized >>>>>>>>>>> this back when we had the time to di something about it, >>>>>>>>>> Carter did, but we voted him out and effectively pretended there >>>>>>>>>> was no problem with our oil dependency for the next 22 years >>>>>>>>>> (Reagan, Bush1, Clinton, Bush2). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gore probably would have tried to do something. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> especially upon having had ward publicly declared on this country >>>>>>>>>>> by Al Qaeda. So what are we going to do? Are the Democrats going >>>>>>>>>>> to solve this? In order to do so, we need to become energy >>>>>>>>>>> independent *as in..yesterday*. Now how to go about that when all >>>>>>>>>>> domestic energy options other than drilling for oil in old, >>>>>>>>>>> depleted oil and gas reservoirs here are off the table whereas >>>>>>>>>>> solutions that *are proven* could bring this about within the >>>>>>>>>>> next 5 years are off the table? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm all for clean energy. enough clean energy to sustain t\our >>>>>>>>>>> economy is 15 years away, at least. We don't have 15 >>>>>>>>>>> years...especially with a party in power that is willing to >>>>>>>>>>> negotiate with terrorists, which to them is a sign of weakness. >>>>>>>>>>> They will be encouraged by this. >>>>>>>>>> Energy policy needs immediate attention. And some amount of time >>>>>>>>>> for better policies to help, as you say. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We also need leadership that won't let the wacky beliefs of a few >>>>>>>>>> terrorists directly control their course of action (or inaction). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> -Jamie >>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> DJ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:4553565b$1@linux... >>>>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton >>>>>>>>>>>>> destroyed, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a >>>>>>>>>>>>> good economy, >>>>>>>>>>>>> the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic >>>>>>>>>>>>> challenge. >>>>>>>>>>>>> They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is >>>>>>>>>>>>> not effective, >>>>>>>>>>>>> the responsibility will fall in their lap. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is from an article in the New Yorker that is about a year >>>>>>>>>>>> and a half >>>>>>>>>>>> old. The numbers are much worse now. >>>>>>>>>>>> Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up >>>>>>>>>>>> with trillions >>>>>>>>>>>> of dollars borrowed from countries like China? It's bad enough >>>>>>>>>>>> that we have >>>>>>>>>>>> placed ourselves in the position that we need a constant flow of >>>>>>>>>>>> mideast >>>>>>>>>>>> oil to keep our economy going. Very few Americans understand the >>>>>>>>>>>> danger of >>>>>>>>>>>> working under the threat of petrodollar conversion. ( >>>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar). >>>>>>>>>>>> But. To also be so far in debt to China that they have REAL >>>>>>>>>>>> influence on >>>>>>>>>>>> our policies is unconscionable. This is the hidden economy of >>>>>>>>>>>> the Bush years. >>>>>>>>>>>> Funny but it has been very good for The Carlyle Group and >>>>>>>>>>>> Halliburton. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Last year, Asian countries invested almost four hundred billion >>>>>>>>>>>> dollars >>>>>>>>>>>> in the United States, mostly in government bonds. China is >>>>>>>>>>>> effectively taking >>>>>>>>>>>> most of its excess national savings and lending it to the United >>>>>>>>>>>> States. >>>>>>>>>>>> The Japanese, who despite their creaking economy remain flush >>>>>>>>>>>> with savings, >>>>>>>>>>>> bought a quarter trillion dollars of American debt last year, >>>>>>>>>>>> even though >>>>>>>>>>>> the interest is lousy and the assets themselves are losing >>>>>>>>>>>> value. More than >>>>>>>>>>>> any other nation in history, the United States depends, >>>>>>>>>>>> economically, on >>>>>>>>>>>> the kindness of strangers." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050418ta_talk _surowiecki >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gene >>>>>>>>>>>> >Thanks Chas, I will check this out. I wish there were just a "render to file" function that plopped down some audio for me. Oh well..... -Carl "Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message news:2dr9l2pnkhafq5pck0lk4jedmg9sukk29k@4ax.com... > Set locators left and right (shift/L and shift/R) to define the region > you want to export. Solo the track. Open the main mixer (or hit > "ctrl" and "+/=" keys for shortcut, if I remember correctly) and > choose "export audio"... Then you get a dialogue to define parameters > (stereo/mono, name, etc.) and specify location to write the file, > whether or not to export with effects in place, etc. Hit "enter" and > you're done... > > For positioning: set that left locator at a specific bar line (if your > target project is locked to BPM) or at a specific time... Drag into > Paris (or whatever host you're aiming for) and lock to whichever > reference you chose for export -- should be dead on the money... And > leave that right locator loose enough to allow for any reverb/echo > tails... > > -- now go forth and make noises -- chas. > > > > > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:07:14 -0600, "Carl Amburn" > <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote: > > >How do you render a midi track playing a vst instrument to an audio file > >(that's positioned correctly) ? > > > >tia, > >-Carl > > >cubase 4 does that, with 1 button push of the FREEZE function. and puts a copy in the audio pool. what chas wrote will not work on a virtrual instrument track unless it is RENDERED to an audio file It will work on an existing audio track with insert effects. Im not sure of the order of doing this in version 2. ( i skipped V.2 straight to V.3. You cant export a virtual instrument unless it knows what it played (freeze)and you sure as hell cant export a midi file as an audio file. I wouldnt lie to you bro. "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message news:4554f5c2$1@linux... > Thanks Chas, I will check this out. I wish there were just a "render to > file" function that plopped down some audio for me. Oh well..... > > -Carl > > "Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message > news:2dr9l2pnkhafq5pck0lk4jedmg9sukk29k@4ax.com... >> Set locators left and right (shift/L and shift/R) to define the region >> you want to export. Solo the track. Open the main mixer (or hit >> "ctrl" and "+/=" keys for shortcut, if I remember correctly) and >> choose "export audio"... Then you get a dialogue to define parameters >> (stereo/mono, name, etc.) and specify location to write the file, >> whether or not to export with effects in place, etc. Hit "enter" and >> you're done... >> >> For positioning: set that left locator at a specific bar line (if your >> target project is locked to BPM) or at a specific time... Drag into >> Paris (or whatever host you're aiming for) and lock to whichever >> reference you chose for export -- should be dead on the money... And >> leave that right locator loose enough to allow for any reverb/echo >> tails... >> >> -- now go forth and make noises -- chas. >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:07:14 -0600, "Carl Amburn" >> <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote: >> >> >How do you render a midi track playing a vst instrument to an audio file >> >(that's positioned correctly) ? >> > >> >tia, >> >-Carl >> > >> > >DC wrote: > Just stay away from the suck knob!!! > > heh LOL! Cheers, -Jamie www.JamieKrutz.com > "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote: >> I ended up renting a pa, I'll be doing the setup and sound myself as nothing >> else fit the budget :-) >> >> Chuck >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ >>Very nice Mr. Hoover! Say, where'd you learn all that networkin' stuff anyhow? Hope you're doing well. Drop me a note sometime. Mark Jeff hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote: >Basic process (from an unmodified XP theme) > >Click start > settings >control panel >In the control panel, double click the "network connections" icon >In the new window that appears, should be something list under LAN OR >HIGH SPEED, usually "Local area Connection" > >Right click on that connection and choose "properties" from the drop >down menu. > >In the new window that appears, there is a configure button. Click on >it. THen click on the "advanced" tab What you will see will vary >depending on the Lan card and its driver. You are lookng for three >things in the list of parameters; link speed, duplex, and flow control. > Sometimes speed an duplex are combined. > >I'd get the recommendation from FX-teleport for duplex and flow control >settings. My recommendation is: > >Speed: 100 (or 1000 if available) >Duplex: full (as opposed to half) >Flowcontrol: disabled > >Also got to the "power management" tab and turn off power management. > >Make sure both machines are configured exactly the same for these three >parametes. Once this is all done Click "ok" once. > >On the Local area connections properties page (you should have returned >there), there's a box with the following heading "This connection uses >the following items". Scroll, usually to the bottom, and you'll find >the "internet protocol (TCP/IP)". Click on it and click on the >"properties" button below. > >On the general page that appears, select the "use the following ip >address" radio button. Here's a config that will work for each machine > >Comp 2 > >IP address: 192.168.1.2 >Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0 > > >Comp 3 >IP Address: 192.168.1.3 >Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0 > >Gateway and DNS information is unnecessary, because you will not be >going to the internet. > >Click "ok" and click "close". Stay on the network connections box to >start verification. > > >TO test the connection once both are configured, from computer 2, first >connect the crossover cable. Look in the network connections boax and >verify that status is connected for your local area connection. If it >is, great, if not, go back and verify the link speed, duplex, and flow >control are exactl yhe same on bothe machines. > >If status is connected, > >click start>run and type in cmd the click ok. > >In the black command prompt box type (without quotes) "ping 192.168.1.3" > >If you used the recommended address on computers 2 and three, this >should cause you to get replies. > > >Lots o steps, but it is pretty complete. If it's too confusing, let me >know, and we can look at a live walk thru once you have both mahcines setup. > > >Jeff > > > >Tom Bruhl wrote: >> Jeff, >> Xp Pro on the #2 and probably XP pro on #3 or maybe Home, I havent done it yet. >> Tom >> "Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:4554df76@linux... >> What OS is on each machine? >> >> JH >> >> Tom Bruhl wrote: >> > Jeff, >> > Thanks! A step by step would be great since I've only done this a few times >> > with varying results. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. >> > Tom >> > >> > >> > "Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:4554cd42@linux... >> > Tom, >> > >> > Crosover cable should be fine. Just make sure on each computer you >> > force the configuration rather than let it "auto detect". You'll find >> > this by going to the network control panel. If you're using IP, you'll >> > have to manually set the ip address and make sure they're on the same >> > subnet. >> > >> > Let me know if you need a specific example. >> > >> > >> > Jeff >> > >> > Tom Bruhl wrote: >> > > Heil, >> > > No wireless for me. Just a crossover cable from one ethernet jack to the >next. >> > > LAN as I understand it is the network via wired or wireless. >> > > >> > > That's about all I know except speed of the ethernet card in each computer. >> > > Tom >> > > "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4554a417$1@linux... >> > > >> > > Are you guys talking about WIRELESS networking of audio from one computer >> > > to another? (I'm a complete dunderhead when it comes to >> > > networking concepts, so pardon my ignorance.) >> > > >> > > Can you really do this? >> > > >> > > Neil >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >Aaron,=20 >> > > >That's the last step I'll be taking. and I was hoping you networkers >= >> > > >might help me >> > > >with that. I was thinking the onboard LAN in the ASUS A8R-MVPcomp #2 = >> > > >would do to a=20 >> > > >onboard ASUS A7N8X-X LAN in comp #3. I think a crossover cable should >= >> > > >do since >> > > >I'm not on the internet with any of my music rigs. >> > > > >> > > >Aaron is there a speed/functionality issue with this? Remember 'simple' >> > > = >> > > >is good for me >> > > >as long as it works. >> > > >Tom >> > > > >> > > > "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message = >> > > >news:<a href="mailto:4554