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Indoctrination: or How to Start a Holy War.
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description: : >> >>>People -- opinions, please... >>> >>>My antique and much loved Athlon 800, 98 SE Paris box, is maybe >>>getting a little o-l-d... >>> >>>For instance: system clock has lost its mind... Thinks it's sti
creator: gene Lennon[3]
date: 2006-09-18T23:00:17-00:00

Re: Indoctrination: or How to Start a Holy War.
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description: ll >>>September something, and whatever the hell time... If I set it to >>>present day-and-time it will be half a week off again by this time >>>next week... Can't be good, right? Also, the thing just sort of >>>doesn't boot up at all about one time out of ten... Like, nothing... >>>Lights blink, wheels spin, but no POST screen, no Windoze, nada... >>>Power down, power up again, and up she wakes, at least so far... >>> >>>It's an Ancient Abit mobo from the Flintstone days (slate based, I >>>think, sturdy but infl
creator: gene Lennon[3]
date: 2006-09-18T23:02:07-00:00

Re: Indoctrination: or How to Start a Holy War.
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description: therd with viruses >>>>> (1999-current), what was Mac user's excues then for not using >>>>> Windows? Thanks.. >>> I've used a lot of different platforms. Atari, Commodore, HP's UNIX, >>> MSDOS, Apple II, Mac, Amiga, AtariST, MSWindows, NeXT, Linux, BeOS, OSX. >>> I still have a Wi95/98/Linux/BeOS box lying around, several Amigas and >>> Psion. >>> >>> I did some Mac audio/multi-media coverage for MacWEEK/MacUSER during >>> pre-OSX days and for a time I ran MacOS on an Amiga using an emulator >>> package and a Mac EPROM. >>> >>> I've also worked with a variety of companies developing software and >>> hardware for some of those different platforms. >>> >>> I'm writing this on Thunderbird, an open source email program, running >>> on OSX. >>> >>> I'm not a dyed-in-the-wool Mac user. I seek to use and help foster good >>> tools and I value having choices in that pursuit. I can only speak for >>> myself, but let me shake out the cobwebs, Lamont, and see if I can >>> answer your question to some extent and add a little to what James >>> already said. >>> >
creator: DC
date: 2006-09-18T23:38:28-00:00

Re: Indoctrination: or How to Start a Holy War.
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description: by >>> standardizing on crappy hardware designs from the start; failing to see >>> the market potential for personal computers; choosing Microsoft as an OS >>> partner; and acting like a clueless monolithic typewriter company (not >>> unlike Commodore except bigger and thus with a carelessly larger market >>> impact). IBM also got into monopoly trouble which was another part of >>> Microsoft's huge opportunity to suck on a bigger time level than before. >>> >>> BTW, what did Microsoft know about operating systems? Very little but >>> Microsoft bought some technology, nailed down the legalese, presented it >>> as their own tech, got the deal with the naive IBM, and that's a >>> an insight into Microsoft's business practices from then on. >>> >>> The truest innovation from Microsoft, other than anti-competitive >>> behavior, was relentless marketing. They offered arguably the best >>> choice in unreliable, kludgy systems, for a time. And Microsoft did a >>> great job convincing people to buy into the notion that this is just the >>> way it is, and gee, we need those wobbly peecee things in our businesses >>> and homes. Microsoft was able to make people think that computers were >>> unreliable and kludgy and that's just normal. >>> >>> It's not normal. It's a sign of software bloat caused by rapid >>> development of features on poor foundations without allowing time for >>> proper design and debugging. >>>
creator: John [1]
date: 2006-09-18T23:53:34-00:00

Re: Indoctrination: or How to Start a Holy War.
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description: Before Windows OS got msutherd with viruses >>>>> (1999-current), what was Mac user's excues then for not using >>>>> Windows? Thanks.. >>>>> >>>> It sucked! I did use Windoz back then, it was a PITA, and still is. >>>> Mac O/S was a better, easier to use OS! Windows 3.x couldn't stand >>>> up to Mac O/S. Then Windows 95 came out. The press said that it >>>> was more Mac like, which was true. Microsoft continued to copy Mac >>>> OS features. MS even stole the term Plug and Play from Apple. Then >>>> they said it was as good as a Mac, that was the first lie. Then >>>> they started to say that Windows 95 was better than a Mac, that was >>>> an even bigger lie. Unfortunately the average guy believed the lies. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> People talked about how Macs would crash and Windows didn't. That >>>> was another lie, Windows 95 did crash. Macs crashed because you need >>>> to manually allocate memory to each program, people would for get to >>>> do this and then blame the Mac. That is like not putting gas in >>>> your car, and then say that the car was defective when it stopped >&
creator: Deej [1]
date: 2006-09-19T00:02:58-00:00

Re: Indoctrination: or How to Start a Holy War.
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description: >> The Cubase rig just crashed while not receiving any sync info at all >>>>between >>>>> Paris and Cubase. Not good. I've got another trick up my sleeve. Stay >>>>tuned. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240db7@linux... >>>>> > Further repeated testing has verified that when Paris ADAT sync >>>>> > output >>>>is >>>>> > hooked directly up to the RME audio interface ADAT sync input, if > >>>>> > ASIO >>>>> > positioning protocall is selected as the Cubase sync sounce, even > if >>> the >>>>> RME >>>>> > transport is set to internal so that the Cubase transport is not >>>>> > chasing >>>>> the >>>>> > Paris timeline, Cubase will crash within 5 seconds of the beginning >>> of >>>>an >>>>> > audio track from Submix 2/card B/MEC 2 starting to play. >>>>> > >>>>> > Setting sync source in Cubase SX to MTC (with no midi interface >>>>selected) >>>>> so >>>>> > that there is no interfacing between the Paris ADAT module and >>>>> > Cubase >>> SX >>>>> > works fine......no crashes of cubase SX when processing tracks from >>>>> multiple >>>>> > submixes in Paris. >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks for you input on this Dave. Hopefully the Datasync II will > do >>> the >>>>> > trick. >>>>> > >>>>> > Deej >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>&gt
creator: dc[3]
date: 2006-09-19T05:13:37-00:00

Re: Indoctrination: or How to Start a Holy War.
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description: r /> > > Well.....it's just a thought........ > > ;O) > > Deej > > > > > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452475f8@linux... >> Well.........I'm baffled by this and I'm just going to let it slide for a >> while. Looping audio *through* SX so that it functions as a standalone FX >> processor has been a total bust so far. OTOH, streaming tracks directly > from >> SX (lots of them) to Paris and summing there does not create the clocking >> trainwreck that looping through the inserts does. I guess it must be the >> loop that is causing it as opposed to the one way trip. >> >> C'est la ****'in vie >> >> ;o) >> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux... >> > OK, >> > >> > Before y
creator: excelav
date: 2006-09-19T06:29:41-00:00

Re: Indoctrination: or How to Start a Holy War.
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description: ou guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears that >> there >> > is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs. When >> > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase SX >> > is >> > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being looped > from >> > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS cards >> > causing a trainwreck with the clocking. >> > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have plugin >> > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris timeline, > the >> > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to Paris > with >> no >> > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you will >> need >> > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation data to >> > Cubase SX. >> > >> > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to a JL >> Cooper >> > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then slaving >> Cubase >> > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II. >> > >> > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally >> > succeeded >> in >> > accomplishing everything I started out to do and the
creator: excelav
date: 2006-09-19T06:33:06-00:00

Re: Indoctrination: or How to Start a Holy War.
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description: ; better using PARIS as a summing buss. At least thats what I'm coming to >> >> >> believe. >> >> I'm going to use my old B&W G3 for my PARIS system and build a Dualcore >> >> >> Intel >> >> box and run Cubase 4 and be done with it. >> >> >> >> respect >> >> Nappy >> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote: >> >>>Hmmm......this just may not be possible to achieve. I've got both >systems >> >>>clocked to the Lucid....No ADAT sync is interfaced with the RME cards. >> The >> >>>jury is still out on whether or not this is going to fly. The latency >> >>>between EDS cards and the audio being streamed from ADAT modules that >> are >> >>>clocked to those cards may be an insurmountable issue here. >> >>>Deej >> >>> >> >>>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240fc0@linux... >> >>>> The Cubase rig just crashed while not receiving any sync info at all >> >>>between >> >>>> Paris and Cubase. Not good. I've got another trick up my sleeve. Stay >> >>>tuned. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240db7@linux... >> >>>> > Further repeated testing has verified that when Paris ADAT sync >output >> >>>is >> >>>> > hooked directly up to the RME audio interface ADAT sync input, if >> >> >>>> > ASIO >> >>>> > positioning protocall
creator: gene lennon
date: 2006-09-19T13:02:06-00:00

Re: Indoctrination: or How to Start a Holy War.
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description: is selected as the Cubase sync sounce, even >> if >> >> the >> >>>> RME >> >>>> > transport is set to internal so that the Cubase transport is not >> >>>> > chasing >> >>>> the >> >>>> > Paris timeline, Cubase will crash within 5 seconds of the beginning >> >> of >> >>>an >> >>>>
creator: gene lennon
date: 2006-09-19T13:15:30-00:00

Re: Indoctrination: or How to Start a Holy War.
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description: jump through if you are using multiple MECs. >> >> >>>> > > When >> >>>> > > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while >Cubase >> >> SX >> >>>is >> >>>> > > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being >looped >> >>>> from >> >>>> > > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS >> >>>cards >> >>>> > > causing a trainwreck with the clocking. >> >>>> > > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have >> >>>> > > plugin >> >>>> > > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris >> >>>> > > timeline, >> >>>> the >> >>>> > > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to >Paris >> >>>> with >> >>>> > no >> >>>> > > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you >> >> will >> >>>> > need >> >>>> > > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation >data >> >> to >> >>>> > > Cubase SX. >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to >> a >> >> JL >> >>>> > Cooper >> >>>> > > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then >> >>>> > > slaving >> >>>> > Cubase >> >>>> > > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II. >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally >> >>>succeeded >> >>>&
creator: dc[3]
date: 2006-09-19T13:21:59-00:00

Re: Indoctrination: or How to Start a Holy War.
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description: gt; > in >> >>>> > > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this >> >> >>>> > > sudden >> >>>> > > realization that my life would have no further purpose. >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > ;o) >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >What's your setup? 200 EDS cards? 300GHZ pentium with 5mb ram? "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote: >> and looky looky what I found. > >Mmmmm.......Bar BQ!! > > >"Robert Arsenault" <studiom
creator: dc[3]
date: 2006-09-19T13:25:58-00:00

Re: Indoctrination: or How to Start a Holy War.
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description: gt;> > >> respect > >> Nappy > >> > >> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > >> >Huh, that's funny, I didn't read Nappy's post until I sent the previous > >> > >> >one... > >> >It's not only me that's looking after you health > >> >-- > >> >Martin Harrington > >> >www.lendanear-sound.com > >> > > >> >"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45242cc2$1@linux... > >> >> > >> >> DJ' > >> >> I'm starting to think it may be time for you to make the jump to a > >> >> Dualcore > >> >> intel box and > >> >> 2 UAD PCI-e cards running Cubase 4. I know you have invested alot > of > >> time > >> >> and > >> >> brain power into this,lord knows I'm exhausted just reading it. I think > >> > >> >> you > >> >> would be > >> >> better using PARIS as a summing buss. At least thats what I'm coming > to > >> > >> >> believe. > >> >> I'm going to use my old B&W G3 for my PARIS system and build a Dualcore > >> > >> >> Intel > >> >> box and run Cubase 4 and be done with it. > >> >> > >> >> respect > >> >> Napp
creator: gene lennon
date: 2006-09-19T14:01:27-00:00

Re: Indoctrination: or How to Start a Holy War.
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description: > >> SX (lots of them) to Paris and summing there does not create the > clocking >> >> trainwreck that looping through the inserts does. I guess it must be > the >> >> loop that is causing it as opposed to the one way trip. >> >> >> >> C'est la ****'in vie >> >> >> >> ;o) >> >> >> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux... >> >> > OK, >> >> > >> >> > Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears >> >> > that >> >> there >> >> > is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs. >> >> > When >> >> > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase >> >> > SX >> >> > is >> >> > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being looped >> > from >> >> > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS > cards >> >> > causing a trainwreck with the clocking. >> >> > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have >> >> > plugin >> >> > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris >> >> > timeline, >> > the >> >> > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to Paris >> > with >> >> no >> >> > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you > will >> >> need >> >> > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation data > to >> >> > Cubase SX. >> >> > >> >> > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to a JL >> >> Cooper >> >> > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then >> >> > slaving >> >> Cubase >> >> > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II. >> >> > >> >> > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally >> >> > succeeded >> >> in >> >> > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this > sudden >> >> > realization that my life would have no further purpose. >> >> > >> >> > ;o) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >Looks like Waves is starting to postiion themselves (again) as one of the premeir Pugins Developer…
creator: excelav
date: 2006-09-19T17:19:01-00:00

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creator: excelav
date: 2006-09-19T17:44:17-00:00

Re: Indoctrination: or How to Start a Holy War.
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creator: rick
date: 2006-09-19T18:15:51-00:00

Re: Indoctrination: or How to Start a Holy War.
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creator: rick
date: 2006-09-19T18:17:46-00:00

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date: 2006-09-21T14:49:27-00:00

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