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OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: do you desire? > >>What, exactly, do you find missing? What part of the current audio track > >>editing or waveform editing don't you like? >> >>Regarding MSWindows - I understand that's an issue for some folks >>(particularly those who didn't switch when Logic went OSX-only), but >>really, this is not an issue for everyone. It's kinda late in the game >>to still be complaining about that, either switch to OSX (a very good >>OS) or give up on Logic and know that just because you gave up doesn't >>mean it hasn't improved tremendously and people aren't using and liking > >>the current version - it's a much better program on OSX today than it >>was on MSWindows four years ago, or however long it's been. For that >>matter it's a much better program on OSX today than it was on MacOS 9. >>I'm no fan of either OS 9 or MSWindows for my own OS snob reasons, but >>OSX doesn't suck too badly (high compliment). >> >>At this point I'm OK with seeing the development team continue to >>optimize Logic for OSX as they continue to rewrite and update code. If >>there's a problem I can complain to a single company to fix it - as I >>did when the Apple rep came to town earlier this year. Whether that had > >>anything to do with it or not, the bugs I complained about got fixed. >> >>I would like to see Emapple continue the process of moving things from >>the Environment and into the Arrange window. The manual control in the >>Environment is powerful, but
creator: Dedric Terry
date: 2006-09-16T22:48:09-00:00

Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: some of that could be made easier and put >>into the Arrange. It's not a prob for me, I know my way around the >>Environment enough to do what I need to do but it would help with the >>learning curve for new users to keep up that trend - they've already >>done some things toward that end. >> >>I do like that I can arrange multiple mixer windows however I want them, > >>size the Arrange window to fit, add a transport and I have a really good > >>view of the project on my 24" widescreen monitor. Views are automatic >>and I sometimes use multiple views to arrange windows for different >>tasks, but for the most part one view and a big monitor is golden. >>They've improved things tremendously by letting users drag plugins >>around on the GUI and allowing whole racks of FX to be saved and >>recalled. I would say the interface is not "dated" so much as "really, >>efficient." I'd hate to see them lose that efficiency in an effort to be > >>glitzier. >> >>The color scheme is OK with me but I can see where you might like to >>have control over that. When the color scheme hacks came out for PARIS I > >>thought they were interesting but there again, I was OK with the color >>scheme for PARIS. >> >>The main questions for me are does it do what I need, within budget, and > >>does it sound good. Yes to both. In fact it exceeds what I need. At this > >>point I really appreciate the power on my studio desktop. >> >>Again, there are other systems that also work well. A lot of folks like > >>Nuendo/Cubase, the new Cubase looks great. The new Digital Performer >>also looks great, Etc. If my needs were different I'd still be using >>PARIS - it does a lot, just falls short with MIDI and has a few other >>limitations, but within those limitations it's a very usable system. >> >>Cheers, >> -Jamie >&g
creator: Deej [1]
date: 2006-09-16T23:41:30-00:00

Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: /> >>> change >>>>> it's course Sooooooon, Logic will go the way of Studio Vision and so >will >>>>> Digital Performer. >>>>> Unless Apple starts packaging Logic Pro with every dual Mac(thrown in), >>> I >>>>> cant really see them making any market penatration. >>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >>>>>> Heh. Yeah, they sit out NAMM sometimes. Apple didn't exhibit at Winter >>> >>>>>> NAMM when I covered it for MacWEEk a zillion years ago. I dinged 'em >>> for >>>>>> it in the mag. The director of music marketing over there was a bit > >>>>>> miffed. Whatever. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fact is, Logic has had several updates this year already, including > >>>>>> fixing some moldy bugs that HAD to go. It has finally gotten to the > >>>>>> point where I can actually recommend it. >>>>>> >>>>>> The feature set is deep and, frankly, amazing. The included collection >>> >>>>>> of usable and good to great sounding plugins is much appreciated. On >>> a >>>>>> dual G5 it's very efficient and capable of way more tracks, FX and >soft >>>>>> synths than even my most overproduced excess would need. The current >>> >>>>>> improvements in stability makes it a workhorse around here. The support >>>>>> for both Intel and PowerPC Macs will be extra nice when I get a fast >>> >>>>>> Intel Mac laptop in a few months (holding out for the 64 bit chip). >>>>>> >>>>>> Now that Logic supports the quad boxes, it's just showing off. Naturally >>>>>> there are a few more things the Logic team can do to improve it here >>> and >>>>>> there, but rumors of its demise are more than a bit premature, folks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Taking nothing away from the other programs which have also been >>>>>> improving lately - and good thing, too. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> -Jamie >>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>>> >&g
creator: justcron
date: 2006-09-17T00:52:20-00:00

Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: t;>>>> >>>>>> LaMont wrote: >>>>>>> Wow! >>>>>>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I'm afraid that if Logic Audio does do something Radical Soon (Winter >>>>>>>> Namm2007) there toast..< >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Apple wasn't even on the list of NAMM xhbitors, last I looked. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:451e02f1$1@linux... >>>>>>>>> Hi Jamie, >>>>>>>>> While I'm happy that Logic audio is still in existence, It's really >>>>> losing >>>>>>>>> ground in the DAW market share, as well as Digital Performer. Hummm >>>>> ...I >>>>>>>>> wonder why?? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Could it be that by closing it's door to the Windows platform, pretty >>>>>>>> sealed >>>>>>>>> their fate??? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since Apple gave Intel-mac user's Boot-Camp, they should stop this >>> charade >>>>>>>>> and go back to supporting Both Mac OSX and Windows. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I Love Logic Audio, but when Mr Jobs closed it's doors for us Windows >>>>>>>> users, >>>>>>>>> I stopped using the product. >>>>>>>>> Now, it the Pro Audio production game, logic has lost a lot of it's >>>>>>>> luster. >>>>>>>>> Mac users are using Pro Tools 7x midi sequencer these days. >>>>>>>>> And, I still say that Logic's main problem is that their Programme
creator: Martin Harrington
date: 2006-09-17T01:14:15-00:00

Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: you that for my needs Logic and OSX have developed into >>>>> impressive working tools. They've earned a spot here. >>>>> >>>>> DP is nice, too. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> -Jamie >>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Lamont wrote: >>>>>> Hey Jamie, >>>>>> >>>>>> I can feel your un-dying love and loyalty to Logic.:) However, I'm >only >>>> stating >>>>>> my opinion from the trenches from both small and large studios. >>>>>> When you talk to producers or programmers today and ask about Logic >>audio, >>>>>> they all answer with "Yeah, I know Logic is cool, BUT....Always the >>But.. >>>>>> >>>>>> They, Logic are on an deserted Island these days. Not supporting the >>>> Windows >>>>>> Platform was a major mistake. And I'm affraid, that If Apple does not >>>> change >>>>>> it's course Sooooooon, Logic will go the way of Studio Vision and so >>will >>>>>> Digital Performer. >>>>>> Unless Apple starts packaging Logic Pro with every dual Mac(thrown >in), >>>> I >>>>>> cant really see them making any market penatration. >>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Heh. Yeah, they sit out NAMM sometimes. Apple didn't exhibit at Winter >>>> >>>>>>> NAMM when I covered it for MacWEEk a zillion years ago. I dinged 'em >>>> for >>>>>>> it in the mag. The director of music marketing over there was a bit >> >>>>>>> miffed. Whatever. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fact is, Logic has had several updates this year already, including >> >>>>>>> fixing some moldy bugs that HAD to go. It has finally gotten to the >> >>>>>>> point where I can actually recommend it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The feature set is deep and, frankly, amazing. The included collection >>>> >>>>>>> of usable and good to great sounding plugins is much appreciated. >On >>>> a >>>>>>
creator: Sarah
date: 2006-09-17T01:29:00-00:00

Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: > dual G5 it's very efficient and capable of way more tracks, FX and >>soft >>>>>>> synths than even my most overproduced excess would need. The current >>>> >>>>>>> improvements in stability makes it a workhorse around here. The support >>>>>>> for both Intel and PowerPC Macs will be extra nice when I get a fast >>>> >>>>>>> Intel Mac laptop in a few months (holding out for the 64 bit chip). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now that Logic supports the quad boxes, it's just showing off. Naturally >>>>>>> there are a few more things the Logic team can do to improve it here >>>> and >>>>>>> there, but rumors of its demise are more than a bit premature, folks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Taking nothing away from the other programs which have also been >>>>>>> improving lately - and good thing, too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> -Jamie >>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LaMont wrote: >>>>>>>> Wow! >>>>>>>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid that if Logic Audio does do something Radical Soon (Winter >>>>>>>>> Namm2007) there toast..< >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Apple wasn't even on the list of NAMM xhbitors, last I looked. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:451e02f1$1@linux... >>>>>>>>>> Hi Jamie, >>>>>>>>>> While I'm happy that Logic audio is still in existence, It's really >>>>>> losing >>>>>>>>>> ground in the DAW market share, as well as Digital Performer. Hummm >>>>>> ...I >>>>>>>>>> wonder why?? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Could it be that by closing it's door to the Windows platform, >pretty >>>>>>>>> sealed >>>>>>>>>> their fate??? >>>>>>>>>> >>&g
creator: Sarah
date: 2006-09-17T01:35:11-00:00

Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: t;>>>>>>> Since Apple gave Intel-mac user's Boot-Camp, they should stop this >>>> charade >>>>>>>>>> and go back to supporting Both Mac OSX and Windows. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I Love Logic Audio, but when Mr Jobs closed it's doors for us Windows >>>>>>>>> users, >>>>>>>>>> I stopped using the product. >>>>>>>>>> Now, it the Pro Audio production game, logic has lost a lot of >it's >>>>>>>>> luster. >>>>>>>>>> Mac users are using Pro Tools 7x midi sequencer these days. >>>>>>>>>> And, I still say that Logic's main problem is that their Programmers >>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> beholden to that 1994 GUI. By todays standards, it just does not >>play. >>>>>>>>> Even >>>>>>>>>> Cakewalk Sonar looks more profesional.! Yikes!! Man, what a F....in >>>>>> waste >>>>>>>>>> in what is still thee best sequencer in the world..But, when you >>stop >>>>>>>>> evolving, >>>>>>>>>> you die.. I'm afraid that if Logic Audio does do something Radical >>>> Soon >>>>>>>>> (Winter >>>>>>>>>> Namm2007) there toast.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bright-Side: They are struck this monumental joint agreement with >>>> Apogee >>>>>>>>>> with the those PCI-E cards and Firewire interface. Nice. Problem: >>>> Apogee >>>>>>>>>> does not know how to write good drivers, at least firewire drivers. >>>>>>>>> Soundtrack >>>>>>>>>> Pro looks and runs and behaves like a modern pro DAW app should >>run. >>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>> and proay that we are looking at the the Future of Logic Audio/via >>>>>>>>> Soundtrack >>>>>>>>>> Pro..Pleaseeee... :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/24742 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Finally. Doesn't matter for me (dual processor) but for those >who >>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> been using quad boxes this is a welcome update. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not that Logic is likely
creator: Deej [1]
date: 2006-09-17T01:36:38-00:00

Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: to out of juice on two processors, but >>I'm >>>>>> sure >>>>>>>>>>> it's fun to watch all the CPU meters moving. :^) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>&gt
creator: DC
date: 2006-09-17T02:00:16-00:00

Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: ; -Jamie >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com >>>> >> >Hey Dedric, I disagree..I think Apps like DP & Logic Audio should die off fi they continue down their Mac centric, mac only, Midi first approach. They will die off if they don't adjust their product to the demands of the industry.. Now it's a Steinberg, Digidesign, Cakwwalk who are dominating the game now. Apple has dropped the ball with Logic. It seems that Apple is putting most of their cardsinto IPODS. I think Final Cut Pro will mature into a Nueundo(ish) type app or more so Sony Vegas Pro. Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >Imho, Soundtrack Pro seems to be aimed directly at the video market that >will spend tens of thousands on video, but not a dime on audio. They have >Soundtrack "Pro", which automatically replaces an actual audio pro as soon >as it is launched! (Thanks to ProTools, any program carrying the "pro" >moniker automatically imparts professional skills on any unsuspecting user. >;-) > >Logic is a great program. So are DP, Nuendo, SX, Sonar, and >Samplitude/Sequoia (despite the lack of dual core support, still). Even PT >isn't bad for a generic or educational DAW. ;-) I would actually hate to >see any of them die off - it wouldn't bode well for the industry as a whole. > >The biggest threat DAWs face isn't one another, but technology... making >what we do for a living a simple click of a button accessible to anyone age >5 to 95. > >Dedric > >On 9/30/06 11:26 PM, in article 451f5170$1@linux, "LaMont" ><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: > >> >> Jamie My Logic Audio Buddy..An even better example of the level of audio >> editing, >> look and feel that Logic shouold be heading towards. Well, it looks like >> Apple is heading there without them. >> >> I heard a rumor that most of the German(emagic)team is not leading the Logic >> Audio development team. That it's all Apple developers? Is this true? >> >> http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/quicktours/?quicktours/a udio/qt_stpro_2_re >> storation >Jame…
creator: Deej [1]
date: 2006-09-17T02:00:25-00:00

Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: ut not everyone.. >> >>Note: My Last version of Logic on windows 5.5 was and sill is smokin!! Very >>stable runing on an AMD Xp2800 machine with M-audio cards using the EASI >>drivers. My windows version out performed my G4-500, and our Studios Dual867 >>G4(so musch for the Mac hype). On a PC, I can run full (say 20plus vstis) >>on a given session with about 50 audio tracks..with verbs. The macs would >>choke everytime we tried doing soemthing like that.. >> >>Now, with Intel dual cores)Logic can run some serious amount of plugins.Hummm.. >>Even Quad G5 can't run with Intel Macs.. Mac Hype all the way to PC land.. >>My point, Pc's have always ran Logic better than nay Mac. I should know, >>I run both.. >> >>Same with Mac OSX..Nice OS, but very very Bloated. More bloated than WinXP. >>To me and others, Windows outperforms OSX on most DAWS..Especialy Pro-Tools..It's >>not even a funny. >>Now that we are all running PCs (Intels & Amds), we can all have the great >>performance that only Steve JObs promised us. ":) >> >>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >>> >>>Well Emapple HAVE been rewriting Logic, it's improved significantly >>>dur
creator: gene lennon
date: 2006-09-17T03:09:36-00:00

Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: update code. If > >>>there's a problem I can complain to a single company to fix it - as I >>>did when the Apple rep came to town earlier this year. Whether that had >> >>>anything to do with it or not, the bugs I complained about got fixed. >>> >>>I would like to see Emapple continue the process of moving things from > >>>the Environment and into the Arrange window. The manual control in the > >>>Environment is powerful, but some of that could be made easier and put > >>>into the Arrange. It's not a prob for me, I know my way around the >>>Environment enough to do what I need to do but it would help with the >>>learning curve for new users to keep up that trend - they've already >>>done some things toward that end. >>> >>>I do like that I can arrange multiple mixer windows however I want them, >> >>>size the Arrange window to fit, add a transport and I have a really good >> >>>view of the project on my 24" widescreen monitor. Views are automatic >>>and I sometimes use multiple views to arrange windows for different >>>tasks, but for the most part one view and a big monitor is golden. >>>They've improved things tremendously by letting users drag plugins >>>around on the GUI and allowing whole racks of FX to be saved and >>>recalled. I would say the interface is not "dated" so much as "really, > >>>efficient." I'd hate to see them lose that efficiency in an effort to be >> >>>glitzier. >>> >>>The color scheme is OK with me but I can see where you might like to >>>have control over that. When the color scheme hacks came out for PARIS >I >> >>>thought they were interesting but there again, I was OK with the color > >>>scheme for PARIS. >>> >>>The main questions for me are does it do what I need, within budget, and<br
creator: dc[3]
date: 2006-09-17T04:15:46-00:00

Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: this point I'm OK with seeing the development team continue to >>>optimize Logic for OSX as they continue to rewrite and
creator: Chris Latham
date: 2006-09-17T04:48:01-00:00

Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: /> >>>>> >>>>> For my part I had zero interest in Logic until it went to OSX. So from >> >>>>> my perspective, dropping MSWindows support was a non-issue. >>>>> >>>>> Seriously, the Mac is no deserted Island. Programs that run on OSX are >> >>>>> useful tools in a usable and reasonably advanced environment. Programs >> >>>>> that run on Linux or MSWindows can be useful tools, too. Use what you >> >>>>> prefer. >>>>> >>>>> I've never lost any sleep fretting over what this or that other studio >> >>>>> uses. I use whatever fits my needs, preferences and budget. Right now >> >>>>> that's Logic on OSX (along with some other stuff), in the past it has >> >>>>> been other programs on other systems. In the future it may be something >>>> >>>>> else. It's not about blindly following, I evaluate and choose for myself. >>>>> >>>>> Having been watching this industry for more than a few years, I can >tell >>>> >>>>> you that every product comes with a "but." I hate to break it to you >>but >>>> >>>>> there is no perfect product. :^) >>>>> >>>>> It's up to each of us to determine if a particular product does what >>we >>>> >>>>> need. If you have specific questions about Logic or OSX, feel free to >> >>>>> ask and I'll try to answer based on what I do with my system these days. >>>> >>>>> I can tell you that for my needs Logic and OSX have developed into >>>>> impressive working tools. They've earned a spot here. >>>>> >>>>> DP is nice, too. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> -Jamie >>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Lamont wrote: >>>>>> Hey Jamie, >>>>>> >>>>>> I can feel your un-dying love and loyalty to Logic.:) However, I'm >only >>>> stating >>>>>> my opinion from the trenches from both small and large studios. >>>>>> When you talk to producers or programmers today and ask about Logic >>audio, >>>>>> they all answer with "Yeah, I know Logic is cool, BUT....Always the >>But.. >>>>>> >>>>>> They, Logic are on an deserted Island these days. Not supporting the >>>> …
creator: gene lennon
date: 2006-09-17T05:25:29-00:00

Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: l be extra nice when I get a fast >>>> >>>>>>> Intel Mac laptop in a few months (holding out for the 64 bit chip). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now that Logic supports the quad boxes, it's just showing off. Naturally >>>>>>> there are a few more things the Logic team can do to improve it here >>>> and >>>>>>> there, but rumors of its demise are more than a bit premature, folks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Taking nothing away from the other programs which have also been >>>>>>> improving lately - and good thing, too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> -Jamie >>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LaMont wrote: >>>>>>>> Wow! >>>>>>>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid that if Logic Audio does do something Radical Soon (Winter >>>>>>>>> Namm2007) there toast..< >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Apple wasn't even on the list of NAMM xhbitors, last I looked. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:451e02f1$1@linux... >>>>>>>>>> Hi Jamie, >>>>>>>>>> While I'm happy that Logic audio is still in existence, It's really >>>>>> losing >>>>>>>>>> ground in the DAW market share, as well as Digital Performer. Hummm >>>>>> ...I >>>>>>>>>> wonder why?? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Could it be that by closing it's door to the Windows platform, >pretty >>>>>>>>> sealed >>>>>>>>>> their fate??? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Since Apple gave Intel-mac user's Boot-Camp, they should stop this >>>> charade >>>>>>>>>> and go back to supporting Both Mac OSX and Windows. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I Love Logic Audio, but when Mr Jobs closed it's doors for us Windows >>>>>>>>> users, >>>>>>>>>> I stopped using the product. >>>>>>>>>> Now, it the Pro Audio production game, logic has lost a lot of >it's >>>>>>>>> luster. >>>>>>>>>> Mac users are using Pro Tools 7x midi sequencer these days. >>>>>>>>>> And, I still say that Logic's main problem is that their Programmers >>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> beholden to that 1994 GUI. By todays standards, it just does not >>play. >>>>>>>>> E…
creator: Deej [1]
date: 2006-09-17T05:35:47-00:00

Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: /> How much has all of your testing cost you in time which is $$$$$ ??? After a while, you have to just conceed and go with a proven solution that works. I have suggested to you that a PTHD 2axcel would be great. he Axcel 2 has tons of DSP power and it stable and sounds great. And considering that you don't need a $$expensive workstaion to run it on, but of course, just like Paris, if you have he power, then it would benifit you running native (RTAS) plugins. Lokk, I know this is a Pro-Tools bashing forum, but it really is a total working solutions, that works right.. "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote: >Wellll......it gets even wierder and it appears to be an issue with Cubase >SX. The latency of the individual plugins seems to change at random after >adding another one in a channel. Closing the project and re-opening it puts >the latency back where it should go, sorta', but the more plugins you add, >the less accurate the Paris fixed increments become so the Cubase fixed >increments appear to be shifting more drastically as more plugins are >added........at least at lower buffer settings. I sorta' halfway expected >this and may go back to the larger and seemingly more stable 1024 buffer >settings. Chasing latency increments around like this is no better than just >using the UAD-1 cards in Paris and chasing Sampleslide around. > >Well........back to the lab. > >;o) > >"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:451f5c8e@linux... >> OK.........this is cool. It appears that by lowering my buffers in my RME >> control panel from 1024 to 512, the latency in increments in Paris can be >> adjusted in 25ms increments per plugin rather than 50ms. Makes sense, but >I >> sometimes don't expect things to make sense with Paris and it's screwy >> millisecond increments so this is a welcome revelation. I'm just using
creator: gene lennon
date: 2006-09-17T06:17:16-00:00

Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: w.chauvetlighting.com/system/fixtures/colorsplash196.html" target="_blank"> http://www.chauvetlighting.com/system/fixtures/colorsplash19 6.html http://www.centerstagelighting.com/cgi-bin/online/webapi.cgi ?sc=010&pid=coolcan64&lg=&mt= Does anyone have any experience with these or others? Cheers, -Jamie http://www.JamieKrutz.comHi La Mont. I appreciate your post......really.....and I'm not really a PT hater per se. I think it sounds very good. I just cannot financially justify it and I do my experimentation on my own time. It's really not slowing thing down as far as billable hours are concerned......and it interests me. I've got a scenario working here wherein I can apply VST reverbs/external processors in Cubase SX to individual Paris channels channels on any Paris submix and return them via an aux on any Paris submix I want. This Paris aux will function globally so applying an external hardware reverb is no longer tied to a single Paris submix.......basically I have defeated the submix limitation for auxes in Paris now whether using Cubase SX as a standalone processor for inserts and auxes (this involves some minor manual latency compensation and I'm getting this sussed right now) or using it as a playback engine into Paris in which case Cubase handles the latency on it's own. I'll post up the routing scenario for the auxes in a little while. Cheers, Deej "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:451ffd48$1@linux... > > Hey DJ, I know you're just experimenting. But, this law called the Law of > Diminishing Returns". :) > > How much has all of your testing cost you in time which is $$$$$ > ??? > After a while, you have to just conceed and go with a proven solution that > works. > I have suggested to you that a PTHD 2axcel would be great. he Axcel 2 has > tons of DSP power and it stable and sounds great. > And considering that you don't need a $$expensive workstaion to run it on, > but of course, just like Paris, if you have he power, then it would benif…
creator: excelav
date: 2006-09-17T07:02:56-00:00

Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: my >> ears at this point, not doing any actual bounces in order to achieve >*exact* >> sample accuracy between tracks, but if I'm close enough that I don't hear >> any flamming/phasing, then I'm happy so far. I'm going to have to try this >> on a project with heavy track count to see if things start sounding sloppy >> though. My 4400 x 2 dual core is handling these chores nicely in Cubase at >> 512ms latency. That seems to be the break point on my system. I'll be >> getting my head around exactly how I want to configure Cubase sends with >> Paris auxes in this particular working scenario tomorrow. >> >> Deej >> >> >> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:451f53e9@linux... >> > Using Cubase SX as a standalone FX processor for Paris only: >> > >> > I set the latency in my RME control panel to 1024 so I could add send >VST >> FX >> > to Paris auxes without having too much latency (predelay) in a reverb >> while >> > not stressing the Cubase VST engine to the point of getting dropouts >> during >> > processing when using my dualcore 4400 CPU on lots of tracks being >> processed >> > thru Paris inserts. >> > >> > InCubase SX, create a mono input and output bus >> > Add a mono track and assign this bus to the input and output >> > Patch a Paris ADAT I/O to an RME ADAT I/O >> > Add an audio track to a Paris channel and set up an external insert on >> this >> > track >> > Route the Paris ADAT I/O that is interfacing with the RME I/O to the >> inserts >> > on that channel in the virtual patchbay. >> > In Cubase SX, enable monitoring with FX on the audio channel you will be >> > using to process the Paris track >> > Insert a UAD-1 plugin on the Cubase audio channel and enable it for >> > processing. >> > Slide the Paris audio track back (to the left) by 50ms and hit play >> > The track will be looped through the Cubase audio channel and the UAD-1 >> > processor without audible flamming/phasing >> > Add another UAD-1 plugin to the Cubase insert rack on this channe…
creator: Dedric Terry
date: 2006-09-17T07:07:04-00:00

Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: the break point on my system. I'll be > >> getting my head around exactly how I want to configure Cubase sends with > >> Paris auxes in this particular working scenario tomorrow. > >> > >> Deej > >> > >> > >> > >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:451f53e9@linux... > >> > Using Cubase SX as a standalone FX processor for Paris only: > >> > > >> > I set the latency in my RME control panel to 1024 so I could add send > >VST > >> FX > >> > to Paris auxes without having too much latency (predelay) in a reverb > >> while > >> > not stressing the Cubase VST engine to the point of getting dropouts > >> during > >> > processing when using my dualcore 4400 CPU on lots of tracks being > >> processed > >> > thru Paris inserts. > >> > > >> > InCubase SX, create a mono input and output bus > >> > Add a mono track and assign this bus to the input and output > >> > Patch a Paris ADAT I/O to an RME ADAT I/O > >> > Add an audio track to a Paris channel and set up an external insert > on > >> this > >> > track > >> > Route the Paris ADAT I/O that is interfacing with the RME I/O to the > >> inserts > >> > on that channel in the virtual patchbay. > >> > In Cubase SX, enable monitoring with FX on the audio channel you will > be > >> > using to process the Paris track > >> > Insert a UAD-1 plugin on the Cubase audio channel and enable it for > >> > processing. > >> > Slide the Paris audio track back (to the left) by 50ms and hit play > >> > The track will be looped through the Cubase audio channel and the UAD-1 > >> > processor without audible flamming/phasing > >> > Add another UAD-1 plugin to the Cubase insert rack on this channel and > >> slide > >> > the Paris track back another 50 ms > >> > The Paris track should still play back without flamming/phasing and > now > >it > >> > is being processed by two plugins. > >> > > >> > Basically, what I *think* I've found here is a way to compensate Paris > >> > tracks by a known (and small-50ms) increment *per UAD-1 plugin* withou…
creator: dc[3]
date: 2006-09-17T07:35:07-00:00

Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: ng multiple ADAT cards happening reliably with multiple MECs > so > >me > >> > an Igor are gonna' be in the lab next weekend with the beakers bubbling. > >> > > >> > ;o) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >Follow the routing instructions for setting up paris to work with inserts in SX that I previously posted.
creator: DC
date: 2006-09-17T07:41:19-00:00

Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: The disappointing part is that even if you don't use a VST plugin on the insert, and even if you are using an outboard FX processor, you will still have to compensate for latency unfortunately due to the buffers. If your goal is to just be able to use an outboard FX processor to cross submixes and your Cubase DAW has the mojo to run at 64k buffers (1.5ms) the this would probably be of some use to you, but higher buffers in SX will induce audible latency as low as 3ms (and I hear it clearly at 1.5 ms) so anyway........ In the Paris patchbay, assign a pair of I/O to an aux send/return. It can be on any submix that you have a corresponding analog or digital I/O on a native DAW running Cubase SX so that they can be crosspatched. In Cubase SX create a stereo input and output bus for the I/O that you will be interfacing with the Paris I/O. Then create an FX channel in SX and in the audio channel you will be using toi send/return the audio from the Paris track, add this FX as a send effect, enable it and crank it That's really all there is to it. You can further control the send/return levels by using th Paris aux controls. I'm done for the day. I was hoping for something a little more elegant but in Paris world, that's impossible when it comes to latency compensation unfortunately. Deej......out "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:451f53e9@linux... > Using Cubase SX as a standalone FX processor for Paris only: > > I set the latency in my RME control panel to 1024 so I could add send VST FX > to Paris auxes without having too much latency (predelay) in a reverb while > not stressing the Cubase VST engine to the point of getting dropouts during > processing when using my dualcore 4400 CPU on lots of tracks being processed > thru Paris inserts. > > InCubase SX, create a mono input and output bus > Add a mono track and assign this bus to the input and output > Patch a Paris ADAT I/O to an RME ADAT I/O > Add an audio track to a Paris channel and set up an external …
creator: gene lennon
date: 2006-09-17T08:02:48-00:00

Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: /> Bar 1 12 string and acoustic playing single notes, organ WAY background swirly sound Bar 9 Electric picking left Acoustic Strum center Acoustic picking Left On a dark desert highway Electric right doing muted "chuckas" The you get to: There she stood in the doorway Electric double with upper harmony in right, lower left The at: Welcome to the Hotel California Electric double plus Electric accent riff The meat of the song is at the long solo and is just: Acoustic Strumming Doubled Electric in harmony with upper part in right channel Mono Lead Guitar Center turns into duet part With tiny electric noodling that is of no merit way in the background. So if I count the doubles 2 guitars we got 6 guitars at the meaties part. Nice but not 11 to 13. hehe Jam on ! John "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote: > > >John, >Try Hotel California. I think there are between 11 and 13 different >guitar parts/sounds on that by the end but no clutter. =20 >Tom > "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:451de55b$1@linux... > > Here's a couple more: > > Rolling Stones: It's only rock and roll > > acoustic 10 o clock electric 1 right rhythm > electric 2 right lead > > electric 3 left electric 4 right > > 5 freaking guitars !! > > > > Neil Young........Old Man > > Guitar panned 90% left > Vocal center, more verb in right > Bass center > Piano center very quiet > > banjo comes in left > slide guitar with nice reverb center mono > > Stereo vocal harmonies > > > Share your own !! Thanks > > >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you? >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > > John, > Try Hotel California. I think = >there are=20 >between 11 and 13 different > guitar parts/sounds face=3DArial=20 >size=3D2>on that by the end but no clutter. > Tom ><BLOCKQUOTE=20 >style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> > "John" <no@no.com> wrote = >in message=20<br
creator: Martin Harrington
date: 2006-09-17T08:51:33-00:00

Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: /> > href=3D"news:451de55b$1@linux">news:451de55b$1@linux... Here= >'s a=20 > couple more: Rolling Stones: It's only rock and=20 > roll acoustic 10 o clock electric 1 right rhythm electric 2 = >right=20 > lead electric 3 left electric 4 right 5 freaking guitars = > > !! Neil Young........Old Man Guitar panned 90%=20 > left Vocal center, more verb in right Bass center Piano = >center very=20 > quiet banjo comes in left slide guitar with nice reverb = >center=20 > mono Stereo vocal harmonies Share your own !! =20 >Thanks > I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, = >and=20 >you? <A=20 >href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer= >.html > >Thanks for the comments. Annoyingly there's only two songs up there at the moment. I have two more I keep trying to load but Myspace won't load them. Not sure why. I've tried twice now. First time it came back with errors. This time it's still processing... But it is astounding how the Paris sound can shine through so much. Especially I guess on something like that which is barely mixed, and hence has few other plugs and effects, it's very easy to hear that overall Paris thing in the sound. And I do love that. ;o) Cheers, Kim. "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote: >Hey Kim, >Nice work. Revolution of the Mind stayed with me throughout the day. Also >nifty was how clear the Paris sound came through. Man, it was like cool >water on my ears. >Cheers, >MR > >"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:451df184$1@linux... >> >> >> For anyone who wants to check out some tunes from your favourite newsgroup >> host, please check out: >> >> http://www.myspace.com/drschnauberg >> >> I'm in the midst of a work ethic/method revolution, where I try and >produce >> songs within the space of only a couple of hours. All these tunes are >recorded >> mostly on my GNX-4 looper, then transferred to Paris and vocals and solos >> are added. It's usually about a 2-2.5 hour turnaround for a complete song. >> >> And …
creator: Sarah
date: 2006-09-17T08:58:26-00:00

Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: /> use the plugin automation in SX as they process Paris tracks. This is not possible to do when using UAD-1 plugins in Paris so that's an advantageous scenario, even if it is still necessary to manually compensate for latency in Paris using nudge/slide Deej. "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45203ebc@linux... > I've been playing around with a 28 track mix using the routing scenarios I > have been yakking about here. I don't think it's my imagination when I say > that keeping the audio in Paris during playback and routing it through > inserts to/from Cubase SX produces a much larger sounding mix than just > streaming the tracks from SX to Paris channels and summing them there. I > have no idea why, but the sound is just HUGE when working this way and my > latency compensation scenario is working pretty reliably when using 512k > buffers. I've done enough mixes streaming from SX to Paris to know the sonic > footprint. Though I liked it, there was something about it that was *similar > to, but less than* an ITB Paris mix. Keeping the tracks in Paris anl looping > them through the inserts and back is retaining more of the Paris mojo to my > ears. At 512k buffers, the first native plugin will require a 50ms nudge in > Paris whereas adding more will add less than 50 ms. Three VST plugins on a > drum track works best with 65ms adjustment in Paris. In any event, it's not > hard to work this way really once you get your head around it and the sonic > advantages are huge.........and routing any Paris channel you want to any > hardware or VST processor you want is a nice scenario as well. > > I thought I had just wasted a lot of time and bandwidth until I got into > this a bit on a full mix. It may just be worth the effort. > > Deej > > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452030fd$1@linux... > > Follow the routing instructions for setting up paris to work with inserts > in > > SX that I previously posted. The disappointing part is that even if you > …
creator: Deej [1]
date: 2006-09-17T12:55:05-00:00

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description: /> >>> >>> Thanks very much, Jim >>So what's the news???? Did I miss something??? "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:451bc037$1@linux... > > Hi to all. > Thats good news for us Parisians. > Matt Craig has contacted me about his reverb and some other goodies !!!
creator: justcron
date: 2006-09-17T14:46:57-00:00

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description: be aware that if you have an old restore and you change something > drastic like motherboard.. it may cause problems... I try to restore with > just the OS, paris and plugins... and that's it... AV and all those other > goodies is best left for a clean install.... > > > "JCampbell" <campbell1745@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:451d4cf5$1@linux... >> Thanks for weighing in. Looks like I'm in for a re-install. My Paris >> configuration was perfect >> before the clone process. So, Acronis may be the culprit or, maybe like >> scott v, I should have tried Ghost. >> Or it could have been pilot error. Like it usually is 8>) >> >> I'll be going the route you suggested, Aaron. >> >> cheers, Jim >> >> >> >> Aaron Allen wrote: >>> sounds like you may have your effect subsystem (XP) drivers set up wrong. >>> Uninstall (if you installed) and be VERY diligent about the paths when >>> you install again. Reboot after EVERY move. Uninstall, reboot. Install, >>> reboot. Fire up Paris. >>> Workin'? >>> AA >>> >>> "JCampbell" <campbell1745@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>> news:451c19d2@linux... >>>> I cloned my system disk using Acronis and that part was smooth. >>>> Actually, pretty straight forward. (I'm on XP pro Sp2). >>>> >>>> I had to re-install my Unitor8 Mkll (usb). Ok, no big deal even though >>>> the install process makes about as much sense >>>> as a monkey on crack. (Maybe I'm on crack and don't know it.) >>>> >>>> Now the good part... clicking on the Paris Pro icon causes an immediate >>>> shutdown and re-boot. After re-boot, >>>> there's one of those microshaft error boxes saying the computer has >>>> recovered from a serious malfunction or whatever. >>>> >>>> Before I go trying to do a complete re-install of Paris does anyone have >>>> a bit of advise on a possible >>>> alternative to a complete re-install? I'm using 1 MEC, 1 C-16, and 2 >>>> cards, Intel Mobo & CPU. This set up has been stable for >>>> years. Then again I don't do much heavy editing and tracki…
creator: Jamie K
date: 2006-09-17T14:55:32-00:00

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description: ref="mailto:1@linux..." target="_blank">1@linux... > Me too Deej > > Don > > ps. thanks for the help this afternoon...amazing what two great minds can > accomplish > > > > "Rob Arsenault" <mani2@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message news:45205a45@linux... > > Good stuff DJ.., I'm watchin with very closely, im also doin the double > > DAW shuffle but on a smaller scale. Please do give us a detailed breakdown > > once you get her all figured out. > > > > Rob > > > > > > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:4520555f$1@linux... > >> If you've been fllowing my torturous Xperamentin thread........it looks > >> like > >> all of my grief about the latency compensation issues with > >> nudging/slipping > >> Paris tracks may be solved by using the UAD-1 Delaycomp in "Cubase" as > >> the > >> first insert on the channel that is processing the Paris track. The first > >> UAD-1 compensation increment seems to cover the native latency, then > >> subsequent incremental adjustments cover the plugins. Just adjust it per > >> plugin and the track stays in phase. Also, Drumagog seems to have the > >> exact > >> same latency as a single UAD-1 plugin so on a kick, I can just insert the > >> UAD-1 delaycomp, adjust it to compensate for two UAD-1 plugins (one for > >> buffer latency, the other for Drumagog), insert Drumagog in the next slot > >> and the kick track locks to the rest of the drum tracks that aren't being > >> processed. > >> Now Paris automation can be used without having to worry about the track > >> being nudged and the plugin automation features can be used. > >> > >> This is too easy......there's gotta be a catch. > >> > >> ;o) > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >I know that the Gigabyte K8NS Ultra has recomended,do they support Dual core cpu's? If not can someone recomend a Motherboard that supports Dual core cpu's that may run with PARIS? respect NappyYou were running Paris on a multiprocessor Intel rig and the c-16 worked? That's great news. I wonder if it would run on the n…
creator: Dedric Terry
date: 2006-09-17T15:19:39-00:00

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description: http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/quicktours/?quicktours/a udio/qt_stpro_2_ >>> re >>> storation >>> >>> >> >> >>Hey James - are you using Logic with Symphony? How do you like Symphony - thoughts? Seems like a great interface and a perfect complement to Logic, but I know a few people were skeptical of Apogee's ability to deliver the driver end, if there is such a concern with core audio. Dedric On 10/1/06 5:39 PM, in article 452051c3$1@linux, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Apple is a fortune 50 company with billions of dollars behind it. I don't > think Apple or Logic are going to fail any time soon. Logic will, and has > improved over time. Apple could make more money if they had a PC version > again, but it doesn't much matter to Mac users and their are millions of > us. I think the biggest problem with Logic is the $999.00 price, if it were > $499.00, and continued to improve, a lot more people would be using it. > > > There is no perfect DAW, they all need work. Is Nuendo $1,500.00 better > than Logic? Before you answer that, maybe you should try the latest version > of Logic on a new Mac with Symphony. Then I think you would really know. > Logic 5.5 is a vary old version. It's all subjective, different strokes > for different fokes. Jamie and others here are examples of people that really > like Logic and are able to do serious work with Logic, so I don't think it's > dyeing. Logic and Apple are only going to get better with time. By the > way Logic and SoundTrack are supposed to work together, like Vegas and Acid. > > Hey, it's always good to have choices. > > James > > "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >> >> Hey Dedric, >> I disagree..I think Apps like DP & Logic Audio should die off fi they >> continue >> down their Mac centric, mac only, Midi first approach. They will die off >> if they don't adjust their product to the demands of the industry.. >> >> Now it's a Steinberg, Digidesign, Cakwwalk who are dominating the game now. …
creator: Jamie K
date: 2006-09-17T15:40:00-00:00

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description: unds. >> >> >> http://www.recordingthebeatles.com/ >> > >It will certainly be cool if we can get dualliecores working with Paris. Those XP 4800's are pretty cheap these days. "John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message news:452084a7$1@linux... > > I got mine last month--I'm counting on you keeping us posted so I can build > mine in yer footsteps... :) Got a 7 slot Mamga to go with it, but that's > it so far... > > > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote: > >I found it on EBay about 6 months ago. I've been looking for another one. > >they can be had, but not cheap. I saw a new on the other day advertized > for > >$120.00. Do a google search. T hey are out there. > > > >Deej > > > > > >"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:452080d4$1@linux... > >> > >> Thanks DJ, > >> Let me know how it goes. > >> Where did you get the Mobo? I'd like to get one If I can. > >> > >> respect > >> Nappy > >> > >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote: > >> >Nappy, > >> > > >> >Yes. This mobo supports dual core CPU's. I'm going to be trying to get > >Paris > >> >to work with dual core CPU's in the next few days. I just heard that > >someone > >> >here had success using an Intel MP rig with Paris. > >> >Deej > >> > > >> >"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45207bd2@linux... > >> >> > >> >> I know that the Gigabyte K8NS Ultra has recomended,do they support > Dual > >> >core > >> >> cpu's? If not can someone recomend a Motherboard that supports Dual > >core > >> >> cpu's > >> >> that may run with PARIS? > >> >> > >> >> respect > >> >> Nappy > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >The word "roadtrip" is starting to come to mind... :) "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote: >It will certainly be cool if we can get dualliecores working with Paris. >Those XP 4800's are pretty cheap these days. > >"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message >news:452084a7$1@linux... >> >> I got mine last month--I'm counting on you keeping us posted so I can >build >> mine in yer footsteps.…
creator: Sarah
date: 2006-09-17T20:58:57-00:00

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description: hers here are examples of people that really >> like Logic and are able to do serious work with Logic, so I don't think it's >> dyeing. Logic and Apple are only going to get better with time. By the >> way Logic and SoundTrack are supposed to work together, like Vegas and Acid. >> >> Hey, it's always good to have choices. >> >> James >> >> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >>> >>> Hey Dedric, >>> I disagree..I think Apps like DP & Logic Audio should die off fi they >>> continue >>> down their Mac centric, mac only, Midi first approach. They will die off >>> if they don't adjust their product to the demands of the industry.. >>> >>> Now it's a Steinberg, Digidesign, Cakwwalk who are dominating the game now. >>> Apple has dropped the ball with Logic. It seems that Apple is putting most >>> of their cardsinto IPODS. >>> >>> I think Final Cut Pro will mature into a Nueundo(ish) type app or more so >>> Sony Vegas Pro. >>> >>> >>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >>>> Imho, Soundtrack Pro seems to be aimed directly at the video market that >>>> will spend tens of thousands on video, but not a dime on audio. They have >>>> Soundtrack "Pro", which automatically replaces an actual audio pro as soon >>>> as it is launched! (Thanks to ProTools, any program carrying the "pro" >>>> moniker automatically imparts professional skills on any unsuspecting user. >>>> ;-) >>>> >>>> Logic is a great program. So are DP, Nuendo, SX, Sonar, and >>>> Samplitude/Sequoia (despite the lack of dual core support, still). Even >>> PT >>>> isn't bad for a generic or educational DAW. ;-) I would actually hate >>> to >>>> see any of them die off - it wouldn't bode well for the industry as a whole. >>>> >>>> The biggest threat DAWs face isn't one another, but technology... making >>>> what we do for a living a simple click of a button accessible to anyone >>> age >>>> 5 to 95. >>>> >>>> Dedric >>>> >>>> On 9/30/06 11:26 PM, in article 451f5170$1@linux, "LaMont" >>>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net>…
creator: Dedric Terry
date: 2006-09-17T22:01:04-00:00

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description: ith outboard gear. > > Cubase SX is humming along just like a big ol' effects rack and > everything > sounds appropriately PHAT!!! > > I'm liking this. Much easier than rendering all the tracks, flying them > into > Cubase SX and mixing by streaming every track back through Paris. Just a > matter of a few presets in Sampleslide and a small nudge here
creator: dc[3]
date: 2006-09-17T22:32:22-00:00

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description: ameritech.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey Dedric, >>>> I disagree..I think Apps like DP & Logic Audio should die off fi they >>>> continue >>>> down their Mac centric, mac only, Midi first approach. They will die >off >>>> if they don't adjust their product to the demands of the industry.. >>>> >>>> Now it's a Steinberg, Digidesign, Cakwwalk who are dominating the game >now. >>>> Apple has dropped the ball with Logic. It seems that Apple is putting >most >>>> of their cardsinto IPODS. >>>> >>>> I think Final Cut Pro will mature into a Nueundo(ish) type app or more >so >>>> Sony Vegas Pro. >>>> >>>> >>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >>>>> Imho, Soundtrack Pro seems to be aimed directly at the video market >that >>>>> will spend tens of thousands on video, but not a dime on audio. They >have >>>>> Soundtrack "Pro", which automatically replaces an actual audio pro as >soon >>>>> as it is launched! (Thanks to ProTools, any program carrying the "pro" >>>>> moniker automatically imparts professional skills on any unsuspecting >user. >>>>> ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Logic is a great program. So are DP, Nuendo, SX, Sonar, and >>>>> Samplitude/Sequoia (despite the lack of dual core support, still). >Even >>>> PT >>>>> isn't bad for a generic or educational DAW. ;-) I would actually hate >>>> to >>>>> see any of them die off - it wouldn't bode well for the industry as >a whole. >>>>> >>>>> The biggest threat DAWs face isn't one another, but technology... making >>>>> what we do for a living a simple click of a button accessible to anyone >>>> age >>>>> 5 to 95. >>>>> >>>>> Dedric >>>>> >>&
creator: uptown jimmy
date: 2006-09-18T00:09:55-00:00

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description: gt;>> On 9/30/06 11:26 PM, in article 451f5170$1@linux, "LaMont" >>>>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jamie My Logic Audio Buddy..An even better example of the level of >audio >>>>>> editing, >>>>>> look and feel that Logic shouold be heading towards. Well, it looks >like >>>>>> Apple is heading there without them. >>>>>> >>>>>> I heard a rumor that most of the German(emagic)team is not leading >the >>>> Logic >>>>>> Audio development team. That it's all Apple developers? Is this true? >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/quicktours/?quicktours/a udio/qt_stpro_2 >>>>>> _re >>>>>> storation >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >Hey Jami
creator: Dedric Terry
date: 2006-09-18T00:10:07-00:00

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description: is that Apple will release a vrsion of OS-x for any PC?? Is this true. If it is, wonderful.. Also, that DEll and Hp are signed on to become OEM vendors.Offering a user to either have Windows or OS-x as their prefered OS.??? Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: > > > Just be glad Gibson didn't buy Logic!!! > >Oh great, now I'm going to have nightmares! ;^) > >It will be interesting to see what refinements end up in future versions >of Logic. I'm personally glad it's already come so far, and is now not >only feature-rich but much more reliable. The hardware and OS it runs on >is plenty fast and reasonably elegant. > >I'm glad we have choices, too. For anyone who wants Nuendo, Pro Tools or >is limited to running on MSWindows, clearly you should not buy Logic. >Apple will be OK without your money. > >Of course it _would_ be great if Logic were multi-platform but the >reality is that ain't gonna happen. > >Cheers, > -Jamie > http://www.JamieKrutz.com > > >James McCloskey wrote: >> Hey Dedric! I have older versions of Logic, but I'm not running Logic at >> this time. I have kept up with, to some degree, the development of logic. >> I've been reading the Logic NG for some time, and a lot of the bugs have >> been fixed. There was a lot of mad Logic users for a while, especially when >> they started to make changes to the interface. Some people liked it the >> way it was, hummmmm! >> >> I've just been reading about Logic and Symphony. It looks like a killer >> combination, but time will tell. From what I gather, the drivers are working >> well. Obviously the latency thing is a plus if it all turns out to be true. >> I think Logic is still a serious contender for DAW software. Logic is still >> a good option for many, with it's PT and new third party hardware options, >> such as DSP cards. It took apple time to get the right people in place for >> the internal Logic team, some people came from Opcode. I think Logic will >> now improve. >> >> My point was it's not fair to pic…
creator: uptown jimmy
date: 2006-09-18T01:12:03-00:00

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description: l tell. From what I gather, the drivers are working >>well. Obviously the latency thing is a plus if it all turns out to be true. >> I think Logic is still a serious contender for DAW software. Logic is >still >>a good option for many, with it's PT and new third party hardware options, >>such as DSP cards. It took apple time to get the right people in place >for >>the internal Logic team, some people came from Opcode. I think Logic will >>now improve. >> >>My point was it's not fair to pick a part Logic and Macs when your reference >>is a 3 to 4 year old version of Logic and an 8 year old Mac. That's ridiculous! >> There has been a lot of improvements to Logic and Macs. I think the current >>state of the art, first hand experience and honesty would reveal a different >>conclusion. Logic and Macs are not dead, they are still prevalent in many >>studios. Logic will improve over time, as all DAWs do. I doubt Logic will >>ever be top dog, but so what. That position will be held by PT, and Steinberg >>second for a long time to come. In the end, the best DAW is a vary subjective >>matter. To each his own. >> >>There is a lot of software out there to choose from, I'm glad we have choices, >>other wise we'd all sound the same. >> >>Just be glad Gibson didn't buy Logic!!! >> >>James >> >> >>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >>>Hey James - are you using Logic with Symphony? How do you like Symphony >>- >>>thoughts? Seems like a great interface and a perfect complement to Logic, >>>but I know a few people were skeptical of Apogee's ability to deliver the >>>driver end, if there is such a concern with core audio. >>> >>>Dedric >>> >>>On 10/1/06 5:39 PM, in article 452051c3$1@linux, "James McCloskey" >>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Apple is a fortune 50 company with billions of dollars behind it. I >don't >>>> think Apple or Logic are going to fail any time soon. Logic will, and >>has >>>> improved over time. Apple could make more money if they had …
creator: Dedric Terry
date: 2006-09-18T03:10:17-00:00

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description: pple IBM machines in the future, but I think it depends on IBM, and price/proformance. As long as MS plays nice with Apple I don't think you will see OSX on PC hardware, but again anything is possible. Apple makes too much money on hardware and they would lose hardware sales if they did this. Not a smart business plan for Apple. There would be too much cost to support all of the PC hardware out there. If they sold an OS version with out support they might be able to make some money, but it would still hurt hardware sales. If they ever get their hard ware closer to the end user cost of PC hardware, it might be more possible. I don't think that will happen any time soon, besides they will never get anywhere near the cost to build your own PC. Besides, you can already hack the OSX and run it on a PC. I think it would just hurt Apple. What I'd like to see, is lower hardware prices from Apple, and the ability to run any Windows PC software on Mac OSX. That would be a lot better solution. Mac users really don't want the Windows viruses on our Macs! Apple is a hardware and software company, I think they would like you to buy both from them. Although, if the gloves ever come off, and the average guy finds out the truth that Mac OSX is less expensive and easier to deal with and does the same things, Microsoft will have some serious competition on the computing home front. Mac OSX on a PC would be a bad thing for Microsoft, and MS would definitely try to stop it. Apple is doing fine, and I think that nobody really wants to poison the well they all drink from. That's my take on it. Any thing is possible, only time will tell. James "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: > >Hey Jamie, > >I dont know about the "Ain't going to happen. Let's take a look. >They dump the IMB-Motorola Processor(Thank God) for some real power(Intel's).. >That one event opened up "Pandora's Box) into Microsoft all over again :) > >Thus, it was inevitable that running windows on a Mac would soon follow a…
creator: uptown jimmy
date: 2006-09-18T03:55:20-00:00

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description: he channel you are using to process the Paris audio tracks. Now.....in order for this to work you must physically patch the your Paris ins to yout native interface outs in order to get the two systems looping audio between them. The mix template routing between my two work stations is as follows........YMMV Paris Submix 1-Drums (usually) Using RME HDSP 9652 Card #1 bussing to Paris Submix 1 and 2 Cubase CH 1>RME 1 ADAT 1-1 in/out > Paris CH 1 Cubase CH 2>RME 1 ADAT 1-2 in/oout > Paris CH 2 Cubase CH 3>RME 1 ADAT 1-3 in/out > Paris CH 3 Cubase CH 4>RME 1 ADAT 1-4 in/out > Paris CH 4 Cubase CH 5>RME 1 ADAT 1-5 in/out > Paris CH 5 Cubase CH 6>RME 1 ADAT 1-6 in/out > Paris CH 6 Cubase CH 7>RME 1 ADAT 1-7 in/out > Paris CH 7 Cubase CH 8>RME 1 ADAT 1-8 in/out > Paris CH 8 Cubase CH 9>RME 1 ADAT 2-9 in/out > Paris CH 9 Cubase CH 10>RME 1 ADAT 2-10 in/out > Paris CH 10 Cubase CH 11>RME 1 ADAT 2-11 in/out > Paris CH 11 Cubase CH 12>RME 1 ADAT 2-12 in/out > Paris CH 12 Cubase CH 13>RME 1 ADAT 2-13 in/out > Paris CH 13 Cubase CH 14>RME 1 ADAT 2-14 in/out > Paris CH 14 Cubase ST CH 15L/ Stereo Group 1 L> RME 1 ADAT 2-15 in/out > Paris CH 15 Cubase ST CH 15R/ Stereo Group 1 R> RME 1 ADAT 2-16 in/out > Paris CH 16 Paris Submix #2 Cubase CH 16>RME 1 ADAT 3-17 in/out > Paris CH 1 Cubase CH 17>RME 1 ADAT 3-18 in/out > Paris CH 2 Cubase CH 18>RME 1 ADAT 3-19 in/out > Paris CH 3 Cubase CH 19>RME 1 ADAT 3-20 in/out > Paris CH 4 Cubase CH 20>RME 1 ADAT 3-21 in/out > Paris CH 5 Cubase CH 21>RME 1 ADAT 3-22 in/out > Paris CH 6 Cubase CH 22>RME 1 ADAT 3-23 in/out > Paris CH 7 Cubase CH 23>RME 1 ADAT 3-24 in/out > Paris CH 8 Using RME HDSP 9652 Card #2 bussing to Paris Submix 2 AND 3 Cubase CH 24>RME 2 ADAT 1-1 in/out > Paris CH 9 Cubase CH 25>RME 2 ADAT 1-2 in/out > Paris CH 10 Cubase CH 26>RME 2 ADAT 1-3 in/out > Paris CH 11 Cubase CH 27>RME 2 ADAT 1-4 in/out > Paris CH 12 Cubase CH 28>RME 2 ADAT 1-5 in/out > Paris CH 13 Cubase CH 29>RME 2 ADAT 1-6 in/out > Paris CH 14 Cubase CH 30>RME 2 …
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date: 2006-09-18T05:14:16-00:00

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description: t. Apple is doing fine, and I think that nobody really wants >to poison the well they all drink from. > >That's my take on it. > >Any thing is possible, only time will tell. > >James > > >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >> >>Hey Jamie, >> >>I dont know about the "Ain't going to happen. Let's take a look. >>They dump the IMB-Motorola Processor(Thank God) for some real power(Intel's).. >>That one event opened up "Pandora's Box) into Microsoft all over again :) >> >>Thus, it was inevitable that running windows on a Mac would soon follow >and >>it happened (fast) I might add..BootCamp and other hacked versions.. >> >>Being that there are more windows users in the world, how many Ipods would >>you say were Windows version of IPods versus Mac Ipods?? Itunes is the prefered >>media player on both Macs and Window PCs. >>I really do think it's only a matter of time before we a cross-platform >of >>Logic. >> >>Question: James M or Jamie.. The big rumor is that Apple will release a >vrsion >>of OS-x for any PC?? Is this true. If it is, wonderful.. Also, that DEll >>and Hp are signed on to become OEM vendors.Offering a user to either have >>Windows or OS-x as their prefered OS.??? >> >>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Just be glad Gibson didn't buy Logic!!! >>> >>>Oh great, now I'm going to have nightmares! ;^) >>> >>>It will be interesting to see what refinements end up in future versions >> >>>of Logic. I'm personally glad it's already come so far, and is now not > >>>only feature-rich but much more reliable. The hardware and OS it runs on >> >>>is plenty fast and reasonably elegant. >>> >>>I'm glad we have choices, too. For anyone who wants Nuendo, Pro Tools or >> >>>is limited to running on MSWindows, clearly you should not buy Logic. >>>Apple will be OK without your money. >>> >>>Of course it _would_ be great if Logic were multi-platform but the >>>reality is that ain't gonna happen. >>> >>>Cheers, >>> -Jamie >>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com >>> >>> >>>J…
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date: 2006-09-18T07:40:57-00:00

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description: re-rich but much more reliable. The hardware and OS it runs >on >>> >>>>is plenty fast and reasonably elegant. >>>> >>>>I'm glad we have choices, too. For anyone who wants Nuendo, Pro Tools >or >>> >>>>is limited to running on MSWindows, clearly you should not buy Logic. > >>>>Apple will be OK without your money. >>>> >>>>Of course it _would_ be great if Logic were multi-platform but the >>>>reality is that ain't gonna happen. >>>> >>>>Cheers, >>>> -Jamie >>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com >>>> >>>> >>>>James McCloskey wrote: >>>>> Hey Dedric! I have older versions of Logic, but I'm not running Logic >>>at >>>>> this time. I have kept up with, to some degree, the development of >logic. >>>>> I've been reading the Logic NG for some time, and a lot of the bugs >>have >>>>> been fixed. There was a lot of mad Logic users for a while, especially >>>when >>>>> they started to make changes to the interface. Some people liked it >>the >>>>> way it was, hummmmm! >>>>> >>>>> I've just been reading about Logic and Symphony. It looks like a killer >>>>> combination, but time will tell. From what I gather, the drivers are >>>working >>>>> well. Obviously the latency thing is a plus if it all turns out to >be >>>true. >>>>> I think Logic is still a serious contender for DAW software. Logic >>is >>>still >>>>> a good option for many, with it's PT and new third party hardware options, >>>>> such as DSP cards. It took apple time to get the right people in place >>>for >>>>> the internal Logic team, some people came from Opcode. I think Logic >>>will >>>>> now improve. >>>>> >>>>> My point was it's not fair to pick a part Logic and Macs when your reference >>>>> is a 3 to 4 year old version of Logic and an 8 year old Mac. That's >>ridiculous! >>>>> There has been a lot of improvements to Logic and Macs. I think the >>>current >>>>> state of the art, first hand experience and honesty would reveal a different >>>>> conclusion. Logic and Macs are not dead, they are still prevalent in >>>man…
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description: arge when Apple >>dropped the cloning thing. For years, Motorola got around to Apples needs >>when Motorola got around to Apples needs." >>WOW!! Amazing.. >> >>Question: Before Windows OS got msutherd with viruses (1999-current), what >>was Mac user's excues then for not using Windows? >>Thanks.. >> > >It sucked! I did use Windoz back then, it was a PITA, and still is. Mac >O/S was a better, easier to use OS! Windows 3.x couldn't stand up to Mac >O/S. Then Windows 95 came out. The press said that it was more Mac like, >which was true. Microsoft continued to copy Mac OS features. MS even stole >the term Plug and Play from Apple. Then they said it was as good as a Mac, >that was the first lie. Then they started to say that Windows
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date: 2006-09-18T09:41:43-00:00

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description: e internal Logic team, some people came from Opcode. I think Logic >>>>will >>>>>> now improve. >>>>>> >>>>>> My point was it's not fair to pick a part Logic and Macs when your >reference >>>>>> is a 3 to 4 year old version of Logic and an 8 year old Mac. That's >>>ridiculous! >>>>>> There has been a lot of improvements to Logic and Macs. I think the >>>>current >>>>>> state of the art, first hand experience and honesty would reveal a >different >>>>>> conclusion. Logic and Macs are not dead, they are still prevalent >in >>>>many >>>>>> studios. Logic will improve over time, as all DAWs do. I doubt Logic >>>>will >>>>>> ever be top dog, but so what. That position will be held by PT, and >>>Steinberg >>>>>> second for a long time to come. In the end, the best DAW is a vary >>subjective >>>>>> matter. To each his own. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a lot of software out there to choose from, I'm glad we have >>>>choices, >>>>>> other wise we'd all sound the same. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just be glad Gibson didn't buy Logic!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> James >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >>>>>>> Hey James - are you using Logic with Symphony? How do you like Symphony >>>>>> - >>>>>>> thoughts? Seems like a great interface and a perfect complement to >>>Logic, >>>>>>> but I know a few people were skeptical of Apogee's ability to deliver >>>>the >>>>>>> driver end, if there is such a concern with core audio. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dedric >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/1/06 5:39 PM, in article 452051c3$1@linux, "James McCloskey" >>>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Apple is a fortune 50 company with billions of dollars behind it. >> >>>I >>>>don't >>>>>>>> think Apple or Logic are going to fail any time soon. Logic will, >>>and >>>>>> has >>>>>>>> improved over time. Apple could make more money if they had a PC >>version >>>>>>>> again, but it doesn't much matter to Mac users and their are millions >>>>>> of >>>>>>>> us. I think the biggest problem with…
creator: dc[3]
date: 2006-09-18T15:13:54-00:00

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description: t;an AMD dualcore 2.6 - 3 pci slots and 3 pcie slots - honkin' power supply >>>- 7200 rpm SATA main system drive with a 3 removable SATA drive bay for >>audio. >>>2 Gigs of RAM. >>> >>>I know Paris can't make use of it....but should I be looking at dual processors? >>>Would this send my budget through the roof? >>> >>>Any specific motherboard/processor recommendations? >>> >>>Someone want to point me to the ideal system for my budget and needs? >>> >>> >>> >> >Site down (temp i hope). Maybe you slashdotted them. hehe "gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote: > >http://www.sonalksis.com/index.php?section_id=99I'll be reimbursing you ASAP...or as fast as it takes a drummer to learn what a cheque is and how to send it DOn "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4522b11e$1@linux... > Cheque's in the mail... ;-) yah, Don's ok... for a drummer... > > David. > > DJ wrote: >> I'm sure you could and you need to do this immediately!!! BTW, while >> you've >> been hanging in Banff, I've been taking your Canadian tech support calls, >> you slacker! >> >> (which has also actually been rather nice, BTW) >> >> ;o) >> >> >> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:45229bc7@linux... >> >>>Hmmm... I wonder if I could insert HD on the Nuendo track that is >>>inserted on the Paris track... ;-) >>> >>>David. >>>Lamont said: >> Question: Before Windows OS got msutherd with viruses >> (1999-current), what was Mac user's excues then for not using >> Windows? Thanks.. I've used a lot of different platforms. Atari, Commodore, HP's UNIX, MSDOS, Apple II, Mac, Amiga, AtariST, MSWindows, NeXT, Linux, BeOS, OSX. I still have a Wi95/98/Linux/BeOS box lying around, several Amigas and Psion. I did some Mac audio/multi-media coverage for MacWEEK/MacUSER during pre-OSX days and for a time I ran MacOS on an Amiga using an emulator package and a Mac EPROM. I've also worked with a variety of companies developing software and hardware for some of those different platforms. I…
creator: Deej [1]
date: 2006-09-18T16:26:31-00:00

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description: tech.net> wrote: >> Thanks James. Good Post... "They took a 90 million dollar charge >> when Apple dropped the cloning thing. For years, Motorola got >> around to Apples needs when Motorola got around to Apples needs." >> WOW!! Amazing.. >> >> Question: Before Windows OS got msutherd with viruses >> (1999-current), what was Mac user's excues then for not using >> Windows? Thanks.. >> > > It sucked! I did use Windoz back then, it was a PITA, and still is. > Mac O/S was a better, easier to use OS! Windows 3.x couldn't stand > up to Mac O/S. Then Windows 95 came out. The press said that it > was more Mac like, which was true. Microsoft continued to copy Mac > OS features. MS even stole the term Plug and Play from Apple. Then > they said it was as good as a Mac, that was the first lie. Then > they started to say that Windows 95 was better than a Mac, that was > an even bigger lie. Unfortunately the average guy believed the lies. > > > > > > > > People talked about how Macs would crash and Windows didn't. That > was another lie, Windows 95 did crash. Macs crashed because you need > to manually allocate memory to each program, people would for get to > do this and then blame the Mac. That is like not putting gas in > your car, and then say that the car was defective when it stopped > running. That was the draw back of Mac OS back then, and Win 95 had > that one advantage because of the dynamically allocated memory. > > Mac OS was sleeker, more elegant, easier to use back in the 90s and > still is to day. That's why Microsoft keeps trying to copy Apple. > > May be it's all just a right brain, left brain thing. Or may be it's > that Microsoft creates software that is inferior, has bugs, has lots > of problems, and it keeps you IT guys working, and that's why you > love MS and hate Apple. > > James > > >> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> I think it's a rumor. I do think, IF the day comes that >>> Microsoft drops >> MS >>> Office for the Mac it will happen b…
creator: Jamie K
date: 2006-09-18T16:37:24-00:00

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description: >> carrying the >>> "pro" >>>>>>>>>> moniker automatically imparts professional skills >>>>>>>>>> on any unsuspecting >>>>>> user. >>>>>>>>>> ;-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Logic is a great program. So are DP, Nuendo, SX, >>>>>>>>>> Sonar, and Samplitude/Sequoia (despite the lack of >>>>>>>>>> dual core support, still). >>>>>> Even >>>>>>>>> PT >>>>>>>>>> isn't bad for a generic or educational DAW. ;-) I >>>>>>>>>> would actually >>>> hate >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> see any of them die off - it wouldn't bode well for >>>>>>>>>> the industry >>> as >>>>>> a whole. >>>>>>>>>> The biggest threat DAWs face isn't one another, but >>>>>>>>>> technology... >>>> making >>>>>>>>>> what we do for a living a simple click of a button >>>>>>>>>> accessible to >>> anyone >>>>>>>>> age >>>>>>>>>> 5 to 95. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dedric >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 9/30/06 11:26 PM, in article 451f5170$1@linux, >>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jamie My Logic Audio Buddy..An even better >>>>>>>>>>> example of the level >>> of >>>>>> audio >>>>>>>>>>> editing, look and feel that Logic shouold be >>>>>>>>>>> heading towards. Well, it > looks >>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>> Apple is heading there without them. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I heard a rumor that most of the >>>>>>>>>>> German(emagic)team is not leading >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Logic >>>>>>>>>>> Audio development team. That it's all Apple >>>>>>>>>>> developers? Is this >>> true? >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/quicktours/?quicktours/a udio/qt_stpro_2 >>>>>>>>>>> _re storation >HI Phil, Phil Aiken wrote: > Here are the specs of what I'm looking at, cut and pasted from pcsforeveryone.com > > Intel Core 2 Duo Processor Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.40GHz - 1066FSB - Dual-Core > - VT - 4MB Cache good > > Intel Core 2 Duo Motherboard Intel DG965WHMKR - mainboard - ATX - Intel G965 > Express Chipset use either the ASUS P5b deluxe or the Intel D975XBX > > DDR2 Memory 2 x Crucial 1GB PC5300 667MHz DDR2 good > …
creator: justcron
date: 2006-09-18T17:50:07-00:00

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description: d with >> Mainboard) > >dont use intergrated video BAD idea. >Use either XFX Geoforce FX 6200 TC PCI-E or a XFX Geforce FX 7300 GT. > >> >> ATX Chassis CoolerMaster WaveMaster ATX Chassis - No PS (Silver) > >I dont believe these will fit the full length EDS cards. >Check out some of the case from Chenbro. Some of their tower and racks >will fit them fine. > > >> >> ATX Power Supply Antec TruePower 2.0 TPII-550 - power supply - 550 Watt > >You also might want to check out the Thermalright 680watt > >> >> Bay Adaptors AIC SATA 3-Bay Removable Rack >> >> 3.5" Drive(s) 1.44Mb 3.5" Floppy Drive Black >> > >why? > > >> 5.25" Drive(s) Sony 16x DVD+/-RW Dual Layer > >Sony? yuck :) >> >> SATA Hard Drives 80GB Serial ATA 7200 RPM - Seagate Barracuda 7200.9 > >Get a IDE OS drive don't waste your SATA ports on the OS. Using an IDE >drive will also work better for many back up progrmas also. > >> 250GB Serial ATA 7200 RPM - Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 > >320 gig SATA11 16meg cache . The 16 meg cache and the SATAII will give >better performance. > >> >> Operating System (Desktop x64) MICROSOFT WINDOWS XP HOME W/SP >Don't know what the (desktop x64) means. If it is XP then it is 32bit. > >> >> Warranty 1 Year Parts and LIFETIME Labor Warranty > >> >> Total is $1453.00 >> Not sure if it will work with Paris, but would probably be pretty great with >> a native DAW. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Gary Flanigan" <gary_flanigan@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote: >>> I just bought a used Dell Dimension 9100 for this purpose. It is the first >>> used computer I've ever purchased, but by the time Digi blesses a model >> it >>> is discontinued. The one I got on eBay has a dual processor, decent (7200-160GB) >>> hard drive and 3 PCI and 4 PCIE slots. It cost me $400 plus shipping. >>> >>> Of course, I'll be adding a 360 GB music drive, 2 GB of RAM, a dual monitor >>> card, and a Firewire card. Still, the total will be under $1000......... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote: >>>…
creator: excelav
date: 2006-09-18T18:22:03-00:00

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description: [binary] ---=_linux45230cf2--Thanks for the response James. Very Informative..I tto was around during those earliy days of personal computing. Although, I really liked OS9. :) I think Aplle should not have stoped the Cloning. Man, people were finally getting pysced about gettign a Mac..Then boommm.. Oh well.. Man, like I posted , I use both, and one XP is a speed demon even with a modest to a cheap componet system. That alone, speaks volume. Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: > >Lamont said: >>> Question: Before Windows OS got msutherd with viruses >>> (1999-current), what was Mac user's excues then for not using >>> Windows? Thanks.. > >I've used a lot of different platforms. Atari, Commodore, HP's UNIX, >MSDOS, Apple II, Mac, Amiga, AtariST, MSWindows, NeXT, Linux, BeOS, OSX. >I still have a Wi95/98/Linux/BeOS box lying around, several Amigas and >Psion. > >I did some Mac audio/multi-media coverage for MacWEEK/MacUSER during >pre-OSX days and for a time I ran MacOS on an Amiga using an emulator >package and a Mac EPROM. > >I've also worked with a variety of companies developing software and >hardware for some of those different platforms. > >I'm writing this on Thunderbird, an open source email program, running >on OSX. > >I'm not a dyed-in-the-wool Mac user. I seek to use and help foster good >tools and I value having choices in that pursuit. I can only speak for >myself, but let me shake out the cobwebs, Lamont, and see if I can >answer your question to some extent and add a little to what James >already said. > >So, off the top of my head: > >Before OSX, MacOS sucked. No preemptive multitasking. No dynamic memory >allocation. Stuck with compatibility to the stone age of personal >computers (early 80s). But at least the stone age for Apple was more >advanced than the stone age for Microsoft. Apple had already jettisoned >the Apple II, been inspired by Xerox and moved on with the Lisa, >stumbled with that and then moved on to the MacIntosh. That willingness >t…
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description: beit in a very wobbly way, with Wi95 - just add more bailing >wire and ignore the blue screen of death. > >Oh BTW, along the way Microsoft pushed out their partner IBM who ended >up with OS2, which began to dry on the vine. IBM is another big story >but I'll condense it into saying that they screwed things up by >standardizing on crappy hardware designs from the start; failing to see >the market potential for personal computers; choosing Microsoft as an OS >partner; and acting like a clueless monolithic typewriter company (not >unlike Commodore except bigger and thus with a carelessly larger market >impact). IBM also got into monopoly trouble which was another part of >Microsoft's huge opportunity to suck on a bigger time level than before. > >BTW, what did Microsoft know about operating systems? Very little but >Microsoft bought some technology, nailed down the legalese, presented it >as their own tech, got the deal with the naive IBM, and that's a >an insight into Microsoft's business practices from then on. > >The truest innovation from Microsoft, other than anti-competitive >behavior, was relentless marketing. They offered arguably the best >choice in unreliable, kludgy systems, for a time. And Microsoft did a >great job convincing people to buy into the notion that this is just the >way it is, and gee, we need those wobbly peecee things in our businesses >and homes. Microsoft was able to make people think that computers were >unreliable and kludgy and that's just normal. > >It's not normal. It's a sign of software bloat caused by rapid >development of features on poor foundations without allowing time for >proper design and debugging. > >Not content to compete on merits, Microsoft also sucked with flat out >illegal business practices, some of which they were finally tried and >convicted of, but they were saved from any real consequences for their >criminal activities by a change in government. > >Fairly disgusted with both Apple and Microsoft on several levels,…
creator: Jamie K
date: 2006-09-18T21:29:25-00:00

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description: > >And OSX is arguably more elegant than the current incarnation of >MSWindows. Mac hardware prices have also come down significantly and now >it's all Intel FWIW. > >As an aside, I think Apple went with file name extensions because of a >desire to be more compatible with MSWindows in (stupid, ancient) file >naming conventions. Meta data be damned. > >BTW it really, really sucked what happened to BeOS. Both Apple and >Microsoft had a hand in that, but especially Microsoft who forbade >computer makers to offer BeOS as an option (yes, that's illegal). >Microsoft ended up paying a paltry few million in a lawsuit but it was >after BeOS had already been driven out of business, technology assets >sold to Palm. > >Sordid business, this. Eventually open source will replace it all, probably. > >Cheers, > -Jamie > http://www.JamieKrutz.com > > > > >James McCloskey wrote: >> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >>> Thanks James. Good Post... "They took a 90 million dollar charge >>> when Apple dropped the cloning thing. For years, Motorola got >>> around to Apples needs when Motorola got around to Apples needs." >>> WOW!! Amazing.. >>> >>> Question: Before Windows OS got msutherd with viruses >>> (1999-current), what was Mac user's excues then for not using >>> Windows? Thanks.. >>> >> >> It sucked! I did use Windoz back then, it was a PITA, and still is. >> Mac O/S was a better, easier to use OS! Windows 3.x couldn't stand >> up to Mac O/S. Then Windows 95 came out. The press said that it >> was more Mac like, which was true. Microsoft continued to copy Mac >> OS features. MS even stole the term Plug and Play from Apple. Then >> they said it was as good as a Mac, that was the first lie. Then >> they started to say that Windows 95 was better than a Mac, that was >> an even bigger lie. Unfortunately the average guy believed the lies. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> People talked about how Macs would crash and Windows didn't. That >> was another lie, Windows 95 did crash. Macs crashed…
creator: Tony Benson
date: 2006-09-18T22:05:19-00:00

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description: torola got around to Apples needs when >>>> Motorola got around to Apples needs. >>>> >>>> IBM started to treat Apple the same way in recent years. I think >>>> IBM >> found >>>> out about Apple's work with Intel. IBM opened their Fishkill >>>> Plant with big fanfare. There were a lot of press releases about >>>> the IBM/Apple G5, and how IBM built a new state of the art plant >>>> for this processor. Steve Jobs announced that with in a year >>>> they would be a 3GHZ with the G5, and stated that IBM said so. It >>>> never happened. Apple had looked at IBM's >>> road >>>> map, the G5 spec-ed out good. The problems that were supposed to >>>> be fixed in the second generation did not happen. Heat and >>>> power consumption were big issues, that's why G5's never made it >>>> in to a lap top. IBM could not deliver a faster, cooler, less >>>> power hungry processor. Apple had to do >>> something, >>>> or get left in the dust. I think the relationship also broke >>>> down. after all the IBM fanfare, they started to say publicly >>>> that Apple was only a >>> small >>>> part of their business and was not important to them. >>>> >>>> From what Steve Jobs said, Apple looked at Intel's road map as >>>> far as processor performance and it was clear to him that it was >>>> the best choice. He sees things that you and I don't get to >>>> see. Apples top hardware designer retired at that time, so having >>>> Intel help Apple with MOBO design was a win, win situation. >>>> Apple knows Intel is going to rock in to the future. I'm sure >>>> Apple is also working with AMD, but I think they signed an >>>> exclusive with Intel. When that's up, I think you'll see Apple >>>> AMD machines also. You may also see Apple IBM machines in the >>>> future, but I think it depends on IBM, and price/proformance. >>>> >>>> As long as MS plays nice with Apple I don't think you will see >>>> OSX on PC hardware, but again anything is possible. Apple makes >>>> too much money on hardware and they would l…
creator: TCB
date: 2006-09-18T22:08:22-00:00

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description: again by this time >next week... Can't be good, right? Also, the thing just sort of >doesn't boot up at all about one time out of ten... Like, nothing... >Lights blink, wheels spin, but no POST screen, no Windoze, nada... >Power down, power up again, and up she wakes, at least so far... > >It's an Ancient Abit mobo from the Flintstone days (slate based, I >think, sturdy but inflexible)... > >Anyway -- ain't there some kind of battery lurking on that board >somewhere? Could that thing have bonked (what a surprise, right?)? > >Thing is -- this box just keeps on ticking, and mostly all I've done >with this over the last five years is record and mix and record and >mix etc. Would hate to junk it over some minor issue like what day >it is... > >-- wisdom welcome as always -- thanks -- Chas. > > -- Chris Ludwig ADK chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/> (859) 635-5762I agree with LaMont -- that "sandy" vibe is easy on the eyes, and the rest of the colors -- the turquoise numbers alone would have done it for me... -- like a 60's postcard from some Arizona motel -- everything's in there but the palm trees... Yeah, SSC was a lot of different things maybe, but he was an Artist, that's for sure... -- mixing in my sunglasses again -- Chas. On 4 Oct 2006 11:33:38 +1000, "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: > >Ohh no, Paris (Vintage) color scheme is still Better looking than any other >DAW out there. Mr StCroix got it right.. :) > >"John" <no@no.com> wrote: >> >>Yay it's back up. Man I would love to know how to make paris this color >scheme. >> Anyone ? >> >>"John" <no@no.com> wrote: >>> >>>Site down (temp i hope). Maybe you slashdotted them. hehe >>> >>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>http://www.sonalksis.com/index.php?section_id=99 >>> >>Thanks Chris, I guess you should know -- this computer is one of yours from ECMM days gone by... So -- BIOS battery first, right? Will that be like so…
creator: Deej [1]
date: 2006-09-18T22:16:06-00:00

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description: ith time. >>>> By >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> way Logic and SoundTrack are supposed to work together, >>>>>>>>>> like Vegas >>>>> and >>>>>>>> Acid. >>>>>>>>>> Hey, it's always good to have choices. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hey Dedric, I disagree..I think Apps like DP & Logic >>>>>>>>>>> Audio should die off fi >>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> continue down their Mac centric, mac only, Midi first >>>>>>>>>>> approach. They will >>>> die >>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>>>> if they don't adjust their product to the demands of >>>>>>>>>>> the industry.. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now it's a Steinberg, Digidesign, Cakwwalk who are >>>>>>>>>>> dominating the >>>>> game >>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>> Apple has dropped the ball with Logic. It seems that >>>>>>>>>>> Apple is putting >>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>>>>> of their cardsinto IPODS. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think Final Cut Pro will mature into a Nueundo(ish) >>>>>>>>>>> type app or >>>>> more >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>> Sony Vegas Pro. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Imho, Soundtrack Pro seems to be aimed directly at >>>>>>>>>>>> the video market >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> will spend tens of thousands on video, but not a >>>>>>>>>>>> dime on audio. >>>>> They >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> Soundtrack "Pro", which automatically replaces an >>>>>>>>>>>> actual audio >>> pro >>>>>> as >>>>>>>> soon >>>>>>>>>>>> as it is launched! (Thanks to ProTools, any program >>>>>>>>>>>> carrying the >>>>> "pro" >>>>>>>>>>>> moniker automatically imparts professional skills >>>>>>>>>>>> on any unsuspecting >>>>>>>> user. >>>>>>>>>>>> ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Logic is a great program. So are DP, Nuendo, SX, >>>>>>>>>>>> Sonar, and Samplitude/Sequoia (despite the lack of >>>>>>>>>>>> dual core support, still). >>>>>>>> Even >>>>>>>>>>> PT >>>>>>>>>>>> isn't bad for a generic or educational DAW. ;-) I >>>>>>>>>>>> would actually >>>>>> hate >>>>>>>…
creator: dc[3]
date: 2006-09-18T22:49:28-00:00

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description: r issue like what day >>>it is... >>> >>>-- wisdom welcome as always -- thanks -- Chas. >>> >>> >Thanks -- sounds like something I might be able to handle. chas. On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:41:59 -0500, "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote: >Pull the battery, it's probably a standard CR2032 type, found at wal mart, >radio shack and yes..even best buy probably has it. > >AA > >"Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message >news:hi76i21bltpn4b0a3uigcpqvio31leiksk@4ax.com... >> Thanks Chris, I guess you should know -- this computer is one of yours >> from ECMM days gone by... >> >> So -- BIOS battery first, right? Will that be like some kind of >> little watch type battery that I can find at the local Best Buy? Or >> -- a more esoteric computer store type item? >> >> Anyway -- five or six years on this box now -- I'd say I've gotten my >> money's worth... >> >> -- thanks for the help -- Chas. >> >> >> >> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:21:03 -0400, Chris Ludwig >> <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote: >> >>>HI Chas, >>> >>>Things that I would think of first off as possibly being the problem. >>> >>>1.BIOS battery is dieing or dead. >>> >>>2. Dire power supply >>> >>>3. dieing motherboard >>> >>> >>>the top 2 will be easy to deal with and you would have to do them first >>>before you know if #3 is whats happening. >>> >>> >>>Chris >>> >>> >>>Chas. Duncan wrote: >>> >>>>People -- opinions, please... >>>> >>>>My antique and much loved Athlon 800, 98 SE Paris box, is maybe >>>>getting a little o-l-d... >>>> >>>>For instance: system clock has lost its mind... Thinks it's still >>>>September something, and whatever the hell time... If I set it to >>>>present day-and-time it will be half a week off again by this time >>>>next week... Can't be good, right? Also, the thing just sort of >>>>doesn't boot up at all about one time out of ten... Like, nothing... >>>>Lights blink, wheels spin, but no POST screen, no Windoze, nada... >>>>Power down, power up again, and up she wak…
creator: uptown jimmy
date: 2006-09-18T23:33:38-00:00

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description: enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the mixer. > >That's enough for now. fwiw... > >Dedric > >Agreed.. Choice is good..Like I stated earlier is this post, I really want Apple to rule!! We in the DAW recording game, need Apple to rule and give Digi a nudge or two. Take care.. Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: > >Hey Lamont, > >Thanks. I'm a big fan of having choices, so I'm glad you still enjoy >your system and find it speedy and useful for the way that _you_ work >right now. I'm sure it won't matter to you in the least if ther
creator: justcron
date: 2006-09-18T23:36:21-00:00

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description: >> So, off the top of my head: >>> >>> Before OSX, MacOS sucked. No preemptive multitasking. No dynamic memory >>> allocation. Stuck with compatibility to the stone age of personal >>> computers (early 80s). But at least the stone age for Apple was more >>> advanced than the stone age for Microsoft. Apple had already jettisoned >>> the Apple II, been inspired by Xerox and moved on with the Lisa, >>> stumbled with that and then moved on to the MacIntosh. That willingness >>> to move past older designs gave them a technology lead, although the >>> early Mac was quickly eclipsed in some ways by the Commodore Amiga. >>> Hardware wise, Macs were overpriced IMO. >>> >>> Microsoft sucked worse, for the most part, because they couldn't let go >>> of their entanglement with really old IBM decisions, more like Apple II >>> than Mac. They struggled to transition to a graphic user interface, >>> struggled to add decent color support, struggled with multimedia and all >>> while desperately trying to stay compatible all the way back to MSDOS. >>> The cost was a culture of bloat, inelegance, copycat design and rushed >>> bugginess that became the hallmark of Microsoft products. >>> >>> However, Micro
creator: uptown jimmy
date: 2006-09-18T23:50:00-00:00

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description: ell at Apple. They took >>>>>> a 90 million dollar charge when Apple dropped the >>>> cloning >>>>>> thing. For years, Motorola got around to Apples needs when >>>>>> Motorola got around to Apples needs. >>>>>> >>>>>> IBM started to treat Apple the same way in recent years. I think >>>>>> IBM >>>> found >>>>>> out about Apple's work with Intel. IBM opened their Fishkill >>>>>> Plant with big fanfare. There were a lot of press releases about >>>>>> the IBM/Apple G5, and how IBM built a new state of the art plant >>>>>> for this processor. Steve Jobs announced that with in a year >>>>>> they would be a 3GHZ with the G5, and stated that IBM said so. It >>>>>> never happened. Apple had looked at IBM's >>>>> road >>>>>> map, the G5 spec-ed out good. The problems that were supposed to >>>>>> be fixed in the second generation did not happen. Heat and >>>>>> power consumption were big issues, that's why G5's never made it >>>>>> in to a lap top. IBM could not deliver a faster, cooler, less >>>>>> power hungry processor. Apple had to do >>>>> something, >>>>>> or get left in the dust. I think the relationship also broke >>>>>> down. after all the IBM fanfare, they started to say publicly >>>>>> that Apple was only a >>>>> small >>>>>> part of their business and was not important to them. >>>>>> >>>>>> From what Steve Jobs said, Apple looked at Intel's road map as >>>>>> far as processor performance and it was clear to him that it was >>>>>> the best choice. He sees things that you and I don't get to >>>>>> see. Apples top hardware designer retired at that time, so having >>>>>> Intel help Apple with MOBO design was a win, win situation. >>>>>> Apple knows Intel is going to rock in to the future. I'm sure >>>>>> Apple is also working with AMD, but I think they signed an >>>>>> exclusive with Intel. When that's up, I think you'll see Apple >>>>>> AMD machines also. You may also see Apple IBM machines in the >>>>>> future, but I think it depends on IBM, and price/proformance. >…
creator: Jamie K
date: 2006-09-19T00:30:48-00:00

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description: Sonar, and Samplitude/Sequoia (despite the lack of >>>>>>>>>>>>> dual core support, still). >>>>>>>>> Even >>>>>>>>>>>> PT >>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't bad for a generic or educational DAW. ;-) I >>>>>>>>>>>>> would actually >>>>>>> hate >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> see any of them die off - it wouldn't bode well for >>>>>>>>>>>>> the industry >>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> a whole. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The biggest threat DAWs face isn't one another, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> technology... >>>>>>> making >>>>>>>>>>>>> what we do for a living a simple click of a button >>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible to >>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>>>>> age >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5 to 95. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dedric >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/30/06 11:26 PM, in article 451f5170$1@linux, >>>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie My Logic Audio Buddy..An even better >>>>>>>>>>>>>> example of the level >>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> audio >>>>>>>>>>>>>> editing, look and feel that Logic shouold be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> heading towards. Well, it >>>> looks >>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple is heading there without them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard a rumor that most of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> German(emagic)team is not leading >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> Logic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Audio development team. That it's all Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers? Is this >>>>>> true? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/quicktours/?quicktours/a udio/qt_stpro_2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _re storation >>Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-) It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for crushing the living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio. On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: > > Hey Dedric, > > Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question??? > > What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm it!! > (Lol) ;) > Thanks > > Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >> Thought some of you that use Cubase o…
creator: Jamie K
date: 2006-09-19T00:40:15-00:00

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description: s. When I rip the songs in WL, they show up as sequentially numbered songs, no names. That's OK. I flythem into a Montage, name them there then burn them to a CD. the song names again become sequentially numbeed songs. The client wants the songs to how up by name. HTF do I do this? Thanks, Deejrun the setup app to install the scherzo drivers, reboot, then install Paris, reboot, then the effects subsystem, then reboot. www.kfocus.com/paris under setup / XP EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote: >http://www.parisfaqs.com/ > >Right at the bottom of the "PC Specific stuff" is a link to the XP >install instructions and drivers. > >David. > >JCampbell wrote: >> I did this a long long time ago and have to do it again. Can't remember >> for the life of me the procedure and I don't want to screw it up. >> >> When asked 'where' to install, what 's the drill? >> >> Is there a "step-by-step" in a faq somewhere? >> >> Thanks for any help here. >> >> JimHow are you naming them? Editing the name of the red tags? David. DJ wrote: > I figured I'd ask the question here first. I'm doing a compilation CD for a > client here in Wavelab. The duplication house needs an audio master CD, not > data files. When I rip the songs in WL, they show up as sequentially > numbered songs, no names. That's OK. I flythem into a Montage, name them > there then burn them to a CD. the song names again become sequentially > numbeed songs. The client wants the songs to how up by name. HTF do I do > this? > > Thanks, > > Deej > >I suspect the peaks are due to boundary walls interference. I didnt even think about the nulls not benefiting. Yes if I use the 80hz roll off on the hr824s the problem goes away ofcourse since the problem is at 47hz. I have a 12db peak at 47hz and a null at 108hz only on the left speaker. Thanks, -- Thanks, Brandon Goodwin Process Engineering Pentech Assembly <Kris .> wrote in message news:4523dada$1@linux... > > It's okay to EQ your room to fix speaker boundary interface problems, but >…
creator: Aaron Allen
date: 2006-09-19T01:16:41-00:00

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description: ;"Phil Aiken" <paiken@partners.org> wrote: >> >>Anyone here made the switch or use both? >>Thoughts? >> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0209_01C6E7B9.F965C440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have a broadband pink noise burst they can email me? I need it to calculate reverberation decay. --=20 Thanks, Brandon ------=_NextPart_000_0209_01C6E7B9.F965C440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> Does anyone have a broadband pink noise burst = they can=20 email me? I need it to calculate reverberation = decay. &nbsp; -- Thanks, &nbsp; Brandon ------=_NextPart_000_0209_01C6E7B9.F965C440--I agree, Lamont, that control room feature looks very useful. Thanks for the report, Dedric. Cheers, -Jamie http://www.JamieKrutz.com LaMont wrote: > So, know digital artifacts and the like when mixing over 50 tracks with plugins? > > Also, I hear that they dropped direct-X support? If that is true, then have > have at least eliminitaed some of their summing issues, but it really is > too bad.. > > The Control Room is musch more intuitive than Nuendo's version..This (Control > Room) is some good stuff. > > Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >> Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-) >> >> It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for crushing > the >> living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio. >> >> On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont" >> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote: >> >>> Hey Dedric, >>> >>> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question??? >>> >>> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm it!! >>> (Lol) ;) >>> Thanks >>> >>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own >>>> might be intereste…
creator: TCB
date: 2006-09-19T02:05:54-00:00

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description: ds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature > >>>> for > >>>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker > >>>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs, > >>>> dim, > >>>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes, > >> etc. > >>>>> > >>>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly > >> in > >>>> the > >>>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only > >> a > >>>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output > >>>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to > select > >>>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the > >> mixer. > >>>>> > >>>>> That's enough for now. fwiw... > >>>>> > >>>>> Dedric > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > >"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote: >Would that be the same as *suckage*? Yes, in a way, but not in the negative connotations of "suckage", but rather in the "funneling power" type of connotations. OK, well, then that would be negative, too lol Neil > >"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452482f7$1@linux... >> >> Guys, how's the CPU drainage on v4? Worse than v3? >> >> Neil >> >> >> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote: >> >DX is indeed gone. Not a big deal to me as Autotune is the only DX plugin >> I >> >used, and I'll probably use Elastic audio in Sequoia for tuning vocals - >> >sounds much better. Some users aren't so happy about it though. >> > >> >I haven't mixed over 50 tracks yet - just got it Monday. >> > >> >The control room is actually identical to Nuendo's (3.2) - just new to >C4. >> >I agree - it is quite nice - a huge plus for monitor management, esp. >with >> >5.1 and stereo monitor configs. >> > >> >The score editor is also improved - biggest positive for me is the >palettes >> >are now in the left column as dropdown panels rather than floating - much >> >easier to u…
creator: Deej [1]
date: 2006-09-19T04:14:57-00:00

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description: cards/submixes seems to be the culprit. I have also tried it without any external hardware boxes being attached to the RME cards in the SX DAW. Makes no difference. Oh well, I can live with the scenario I was using before but it doesn't sound quite as good as what I am trying to do with using SX solely as an FX processor. "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45242948$1@linux... > looks like it's time to set up a third computer with a basic music app..that > can send a start/stop signal to an external clock module which all your > goodies can then sync to > > > or not > > Don > > > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45241cfe$1@linux... > > Hmmm......this just may not be possible to achieve. I've got both systems > > clocked to the Lucid....No ADAT sync is interfaced with the RME cards. The > > jury is still out on whether or not this is going to fly. The latency > > between EDS cards and the audio being streamed from ADAT modules that are > > clocked to those cards may be an insurmountable issue here. > > Deej > > > > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240fc0@linux... > >> The Cubase rig just crashed while not receiving any sync info at all > > between > >> Paris and Cubase. Not good. I've got another trick up my sleeve. Stay > > tuned. > >> > >> > >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240db7@linux... > >> > Further repeated testing has verified that when Paris ADAT sync output > > is > >> > hooked directly up to the RME audio interface ADAT sync input, if ASIO > >> > positioning protocall is selected as the Cubase sync sounce, even if > >> > the > >> RME > >> > transport is set to internal so that the Cubase transport is not > >> > chasing > >> the > >> > Paris timeline, Cubase will crash within 5 seconds of the beginning of > > an > >> > audio track from Submix 2/card B/MEC 2 starting to play. > >> > > >> > Setting sync source in Cubase SX to MTC (with no midi interface > > selected) > >> so > >> > that there …
creator: Jamie K
date: 2006-09-19T04:20:34-00:00

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description: linux... >> >> > > OK, >> >> > > >> >> > > Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears > that >> >> > there >> >> > > is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs. > When >> >> > > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase > SX >> > is >> >> > > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being > looped >> >> from >> >> > > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS<br
creator: gene lennon
date: 2006-09-19T04:50:34-00:00

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description: /> >> > cards >> >> > > causing a trainwreck with the clocking. >> >> > > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have > plugin >> >> > > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris > timeline, >> >> the >> >> > > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to > Paris >> >> with >> >> > no >> >> > > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you >> >> > > will >> >> > need >> >> > > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation >> >> > > data >> >> > > to >> >> > > Cubase SX. >> >> > > >> >> > > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to a > JL >> >> > Cooper >> >> > > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then > slaving >> >> > Cubase >> >> > > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II. >> >> > > >> >> > > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally >> > succeeded >> >> > in >> >> > > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this >> >> > > sudden >> >> > > realization that my life would have no further purpose. >> >> > > >> >> > > ;o) >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > >Huh, that's funny, I didn't read Nappy's post until I sent the previous one... It's not only me that's looking after you health -- Martin Harrington www.lendanear-sound.com "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45242cc2$1@linux... > > DJ' > I'm starting to think it may be time for you to make the jump to a > Dualcore > intel box and > 2 UAD PCI-e cards running Cubase 4. I know you have invested alot of time > and > brain power into this,lord knows I'm exhausted just reading it. I think > you > would be > better using PARIS as a summing buss. At least thats what I'm coming to > believe. > I'm going to use my old B&W G3 for my PARIS system and build a Dualcore > Intel > box and run Cubase 4 and be done with it. > > respect > Nappy > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote: >>Hmmm......this just may not be p…
creator: ulfiyya
date: 2006-09-19T05:11:22-00:00

Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: ;> > > When >>>>> > > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase >>> SX >>>>is >>>>> > > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being >>>>> > > looped >>>>> from >>>>> > > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS >>>>cards >>>>> > > causing a trainwreck with the clocking. >>>>> > > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have >>>>> > > plugin >>>>> > > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris >>>>> > > timeline, >>>>> the >>>>> > > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to >>>>> > > Paris >>>>> with >>>>> > no >>>>> > > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you >>> will >>>>> > need >>>>> > > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation >>>>> > > data >>> to >>>>> > > Cubase SX. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to > a >>> JL >>>>> > Cooper >>>>> > > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then >>>>> > > slaving >>>>> > Cubase >>>>> > > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally >>>>succeeded >>>>> > in >>>>> > > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this > >>>>> > > sudden >>>>> > > realization that my life would have no further purpose. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > ;o) >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >Yes, they are, but the UAD-1 upsamples during processing with the Fairchild, 1073, Pultec and some others. "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:gei9i2tdu1nimf16gnf75mfl7hsb0lpb82@4ax.com... > aren't all the machines set to the same sample rate? > > On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:44:51 -0600, "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote: > > >I wonder if this isn't working because some of the UAD-1 plugins (like the > >Neve EQ for instance) are upsampling what is essentially a Paris audio file > >being played *through* SX…
creator: Jamie K
date: 2006-09-19T06:22:59-00:00

Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: have my uad card but thought they worked at the pre specified rate of the audio. maybe you can put a dummy file in sx to lock the uad sample rate to match the rest. On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:02:41 -0600, "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote: >Yes, they are, but the UAD-1 upsamples during processing with the Fairchild, >1073, Pultec and some others. > > >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:gei9i2tdu1nimf16gnf75mfl7hsb0lpb82@4ax.com... >> aren't all the machines set to the same sample rate? >> >> On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:44:51 -0600, "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote: >> >> >I wonder if this isn't working because some of the UAD-1 plugins (like >the >> >Neve EQ for instance) are upsampling what is essentially a Paris audio >file >> >being played *through* SX with none of the downsampling possible that >would >> >normally be part of the DSP process in SX to resolve the sample rate of >the >> >plugin to the project sample rate/clock source. If so, that would >certainly >> >explain some things. It might also explain why the UAD-1 card with ADAT >I/O >> >that was on the boards a few years ago went nowhere and why the POCO, >> >Duende, etc. do not have digital I/O and only work in a plugin format. If >> >these processors were >> >upsampling/downsampling in real time, the SR converters/clocking >shenanigans >> >that would be necessary to bring the audio signal back to the project >sample >> >rate would put the pricepoint through the roof. >> > >> >Well.....it's just a thought........ >> > >> >;O) >> > >> >Deej >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452475f8@linux... >> >> Well.........I'm baffled by this and I'm just going to let it slide for >a >> >> while. Looping audio *through* SX so that it functions as a standalone >FX >> >> processor has been a total bust so far. OTOH, streaming tracks directly >> >from >> >> SX (lots of them) to Paris and summing there does not create the >clocking >> >> trainwreck that looping through the insert…
creator: Tony Benson
date: 2006-09-19T16:31:50-00:00

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description: t 40 minutes into the flight leaving Johannesburg, >I noticed a young man (in a group of about 5) looking around quite nervously, >then proceed to use his cell phone. The plane was sparsely filled, so no >else noticed it. I was about to get a flight attendant, but one happened >upon him and asked him to put the phone away. He did so, but it left an uneasy >feeling none the less. > >Once we landed in Dakar (about 8 hours later) the gentlemen de-boarded the >plane and the carrier (or TSA..not sure who) did a massive search of the >plane. They asked us to remove our luggage from the overheads and to move >from our seats. They brought on about 20 workers who checked under the seat >cushions as well as the headrest. Once they reached the area where the gentleman >with the phone was seated, I watched as they pulled a dinner knife from deep >within the headrest. In all, they found 3 dinner knives hidden in the seat >cushions. I am not certain who hid the knives, but that point is mute to >me. > >After the search was over, the flight attendant went down the aisle saying >there was a passenger missing who did not de-board the plane in Dakar as >planned. Needless to say, I did not sleep those 17 hours coming home. Upon >my return, I spoke with one of my colleagues who had left the day before >I did and although he did not notice that there were any items found during >the search, he did share that there was a passenger missing at Dakar as well. > >Boarding the plane (returning to the US) was the tightest boarding procedure >I have ever witnessed. After having our luggage screened at the security >check point, we had our personal items scanned again at the gate...then were >patted down...then tickets checked again...then given a boarding pass and >finally returning the boarding pass at the door of the plane....yet there >were still discrepancies with passengers being missing landing in Dakar. > >Not sure what else to say. >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---=_linu…
creator: Deej [1]
date: 2006-09-19T17:23:10-00:00

Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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creator: rick
date: 2006-09-19T18:00:51-00:00

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Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: [binary] ---=_linux45258e1e--I do have this old note (see below) and I have these bitmaps but I don't think these are the right bitmaps. http://www.kfocus.com/skins/green.jpg http://www.kfocus.com/skins/MIXEREQAUX.bmp http://www.kfocus.com/skins/MIXEREQAUXB&W&bev.jpg http://www.kfocus.com/skins/MIXERFADERPAN.bmp http://www.kfocus.com/skins/MIXERFXMON.bmp http://www.kfocus.com/skins/MIXERMASTER.bmp http://www.kfocus.com/skins/New Mixer Look.jpg Greetings from the North pole. I have been hacking some of Santa?s audio gear and decided I hated the way PARIS looked, to hard on the eyes. So I made some changes, but I got orders backin up on me and it started to tweak my nerves a bit, all I really wanted done was the mixer anyway so that is all I did. Any way if you do this and hose your machine your stupid for listening to an elf. :>) It is worth the effort because it looks great and the new meters alone rock, it is really not that hard so here we go. #1 Go to http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/d7resourceexplorer.htm and download this app and load it as it says too. #2 Print this then collect all the bitmaps from the newsgroup there are 4 of them split up to different posts for you guys using dial-up. #3 VERY IMPORTANT!!! Back up your ?PARIS.exe? file to a different location. #4 Launch ?PE Resource Explorer? as app requires then ?open? the ?PARIS.exe? file in it. #5 You will see a folder named ?PICT? expand it and find the folders that are named the same as your downloaded bitmaps and make sure you did not change the name of the bitmaps in any way. #6 At the top click on the menu ?Resources? and in the drop down menu click ?import image resource?. Navigate to one of the bitmaps you downloaded and choose it. YOU CAN ONLY IMPORT ONE IMAGE AT A TIME SO DO THIS FOR EACH IMAGE TILL YOU HAVE IMPORTED ALL 4 BITMAPS. #7 PE Resource Explorer has created a new folder named ?bitmaps? that will contain the 4 bitmaps in it. You will now expand the folder of the name of the first bitmap yo…
creator: Jamie K
date: 2006-09-19T23:41:03-00:00

Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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description: she had a >couple badass songs I've been exposed to. I seriously loved her duet with >RF. Definitely chubby but I thought her timing on the beat was killer. > >I was just looking at the Nuendo-post newsgroup and who should turn up there but Max Howarth. The oldies of the NG will remember him...he had a few Paris setups in his production facility in Edinburgh I think writing jingles and posting commercial spots Looks like he is Nuendo now.... Wondered where he got to.... www.redfacilities.com -- Martin Harrington www.lendanear-sound.comA gorgeous redhead goes into the doctor's office and says "her body hurts whenever she touches it. "Impossible" says the doctor. "Show me." The redhead takes her finger, pushes on her left breast, and screams, then she pushes on her elbow, and screams in even more agony. She pushes her knee and screams, then she pushes on her thigh, and more screaming. Pushes her ankle, more screams, and everywhere she touches, makes her scream. Doctor says, "You're not really a redhead are you." "Well, no", she says, "I'm actually a blonde." "I thought so", the doctor says, "Your finger is broken."thanks...;o) On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 12:26:46 -0700, Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote: >-- and it works: you really do look smarter... > >chas. > >-- byt the way -- thanks DL and Deej for bringing this up -- I now >know something about WaveLab that I didn't know before... CD's will >leave here from now on chock-full of useful info. Gracias. > >On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 05:14:58 -0400, rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> >wrote: > >>and i'll agree just to look smart with them two above. >> >> >> >>On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:00:11 -0600, EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote: >> >>>Yah, what he said... ;-) >>> >>>David. >>> >>>David L wrote: >>> >>>> Click on the CD tab in the montage. Then click on the CD Text box. At the >>>> bottom, move to the previous track so that you can give the CD a title, then >>>> move though each of the tracks and give them names. >>>> >>>…
creator: uptown jimmy
date: 2006-09-19T23:49:13-00:00

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date: 2006-09-20T01:43:47-00:00

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date: 2006-09-20T03:55:53-00:00

Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope
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