>news:44793f10$1@linux>size=3D2>... >>>>>> = >>> >>>>>> > Ok,=20 >>here's the short version. I've been working on this most = >>of >=20 >>the >>>>>> > day and am about to turn in, so = >>this is=20 >>very incomplete. >>>>>> = >>> >>>>>>=20 >>> It is a version of Sakis' band-split technique where you use 4=20 >>stereo >>>>>> > bands and 8 channels and 8=20 >>compressors. >>>>>> = >>> >>>>>> >=20 >>I'm going to skip over a million details and just say that the=20 >>secret >>>>>> > is bouncing each stereo freq = >>band with=20 >>EQ only and then the next >>>>>> > set etc until = >>all are=20 >>done. Then you bring the bands back to = >>the >>>>>>=20 >>> editor, shut off the EQ and start working on your comp=20 >>settings. >>>>>> > (yes you have to do 4 passes = >>to just=20 >>create the files to do this!) >>>>>>=20 >>> >>>>>> > It is complicated, time-consuming, = >>and a=20<
>>> >>>Now, the thing is, you can adjust the Gain/EQ mojo separately for each >= >>>band, you can compress with different ratios, thresholds.. whatever = >>>suits the material, all in Paris. If you use the Paris compressor, be = >>>sure to match each pair of tracks' settings (1=3D2, 3=3D4, 5=3D6, = >>>7=3D8). Ditto on the eq bands, they must match, period.=20 >>> >>>Now then, for more secret sauce beyond the Eq/Gain trick.. put one more >>= >>>compressor on the global but do NOT compress with it. Threshold all the >>= >>>way up, ratio all the way down. Instead, use the gain output to beat the >>= >>>snot out of the signal hitting the global bus, but ... and this is also >>= >>>super important... keep the global fader at -0.3 or -0.5 dB or you'll = >>>blister the ^&*#&$ out of the cheapo wal mart digital converters that = >>>your stuff will eventually have to suffer.=20 >>>Be careful in all this, you have SO much gain shaping you can turn the >= >>>wav into a baby ruth in the repro guy's editor... and no one wants to = >>>find a baby ruth floating in their pool of music. Don't smash it so much >>= >>>that it only takes 5 bits to play it back faithfully. Again, use your = >>>ears man.. pop and aggressive tunes will take more abuse than say, a = >>>ballad or classical. This is part of the 'program material dependant' = >>>thing I mentioned earlier. Don't treat a jazz standard like a Pantera = >>>tune, for example.=20 >>> >>>Essentially you are creating a Waves multiband compressor, only you're >= >>>using Paris to do it and it sounds.. well, .. better IMO. YMMV. If you >= >>>plan to do this a lot, do your self a huge favor and create
your own = >>>template PPJ you can just time lock drag the 'files' to and be on your >= >>>way.=20 >>> >>>For you Mac mastering gurus, just replace the Paris VST EQ with a good >= >>>sounding phase coherent EQ capable of lo pass, band pass and hi pass. >= >>>Sorry, there is no equal that I'm aware of to the gain trick in the = >>>Paris VST EQ, but you do have the option of using the actual Paris EQ = >>>Gain in it's place post eq/compression for each group of channels. >>> >>>If anyone needs the Paris VST EQ, I suspect Doug Wellington has it = >>>posted on his page. >>>Doug, you still out there man? >>> >>>AA,=20 >>>semi kinda not really a mastering dude guy >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------= >>>---------------------- >>> >>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:447cb558$1@linux... >>>>=20 >>>> So what's this trick mastering technique? >>>>=20 >>>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote: >>>>>Word. I'd be willing to bet that this VST plug is somewhere in Tank's >>= >>>Steiny >>>>=20 >>>>>arsenal in regular use. Matt did an amazing job of recreating the = >>>Paris >>>>=20 >>>>>channel Eq/Gain mojo. >>>>>AA >>>>> >>>>>"chuck duffy" <cxsd@c.com> wrote in message news:447b8639$1@linux... >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Don, >>>>>> >>>>>> The vst eq bit cancels with the paris eq when phase inverted. >>>>>> >>>>>> I forced Brian T to try it when he w
ST >>>>>>>EQ, >>>>>>>>> and in real timeif you want to adjust your bands. Have you tried >>= >>>the >>>>>> VST >>>>>>>>> Paris EQ for this application yet? >>>>>>>>> It doth rock much. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> AA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message = >>>news:44793f10$1@linux... >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Ok, here's the short version. I've been working on this most >= >>>of >>>> the >>>>>>>>> > day and am about to turn in, so this is very incomplete. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > It is a version of Sakis' band-split technique where you use 4 >>= >>>stereo >>>>>>>>> > bands and 8 channels and 8 compressors. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I'm going to skip over a million details and just say that the >>= >>>secret >>>>>>>>> > is bouncing each stereo freq band with EQ only and then the = >>>next >>>>>>>>> > set etc until all are done. Then you bring the bands back to >= >>>the >>>>>>>>> > editor, shut off the EQ and start working on your comp = >>>settings. >>>>>>>>> > (yes you have to do 4 passes to just create the files to do = >>>this!) >>>>>>>>> > >>&g
gt;>gain=20 >>>output to beat the snot out of the signal hitting the global bus, but = >>>... and=20 >>>this is also super important... keep the global fader at -0.3 or -0.5 dB >>= >>>or=20 >>>you'll blister the ^&*#&$ out of the cheapo wal mart digital = >>>converters=20 >>>that your stuff will eventually have to suffer. >>> Be careful in all this, you = >>>have SO much=20 >>>gain shaping you can turn the wav into a baby ruth in the repro=20 >>>guy's editor... and no one wants to find a baby ruth floating in = >>>their pool=20 >>>of music. Don't smash it so much that it only takes 5 bits to play = >>>it back=20 >>>faithfully. Again, use your ears man.. pop and aggressive tunes will = >>>take more=20 >>>abuse than say, a ballad or classical. This is part of the 'program = >>>material=20 >>>dependant' thing I mentioned earlier. Don't treat a jazz standard like >a >>= >>>Pantera=20 >>>tune, for example. >>> >>> Essentially you are creating a Waves = >>>multiband=20 >>>compressor, only you're using Paris to do it and it sounds.. well, .. = >>>better=20 >>>IMO. YMMV. If you plan to do this a lot, do your self a huge favor and=20 >>>create your own template PPJ you can just time lock drag the = >>>'files'=20 >>>to and be on your way. >>> >>> For you Mac mastering gurus, just = >>>replace the Paris=20 >>>VST EQ with a good sounding phase coherent EQ capable of lo pass, band >= >>>pass and=20 >>>hi pass. Sorry, there is no equal that I'm aware of to the gain = >>>trick in=20 >>>the Paris VST EQ, but you do have the option of using the actual Paris >= >>>EQ Gain=20 >>>in it's place post eq/compression for each group of = >>>channels. >>> >>> If anyone needs the Paris VST EQ, I = >>>suspect Doug=20 >>>Wellington has it posted on his page. >>> Doug, you still out there = >>>man? >>> </DIV&g
t; >>> >>size=3D3>AA, >>> semi kinda not really a mastering dude=20 >>>guy >>> >>size=3D2> ------------------------------------------------------------ ----= >>>------------------------------- >>> >>> "John" <>>href=3D"mailto:no@no.com"><FONT=20 >>>face=3DArial size=3D2>no@no.com>>size=3D2>> wrote in=20 >>>message >>size=3D2>news:447cb558$1@linux>>size=3D2>... > > So = >>>what's this=20 >>>trick mastering technique? > > "Aaron Allen" <<A=20 >>>href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">>>size=3D2>nospam@not_here.dude> = >>> >>>wrote: >>Word. I'd be willing to bet that this VST plug is = >>>somewhere in=20 >>>Tank's Steiny > >>arsenal in regular use. Matt did = >>>an=20 >>>amazing job of recreating the Paris > >>channel Eq/Gain=20 >>>mojo. >>AA >> >>"chuck duffy" <<A=20 >>>href=3D"mailto:cxsd@c.com">>>size=3D2>cxsd@c.com<FONT=20 >>>face=3DArial size=3D2>> wrote in message <A=20 >>>href=3D"news:447b8639$1@linux">>>size=3D2>news:447b8639$1@linux>>size=3D2>... >>> >>> Hi=20 >>>Don, >>> >>> The vst eq bit cancels with the = >>>paris eq=20 >>>when phase inverted. >>> >>> I forced Brian T to = >>>try it=20 >>>when he was unconvinced. >>> >>> I know that = >>>everyone is=20 >>>dubious, but matt worked 24 hours a day for months >>> to = >>>ensure=20 >>>that he could perfectly emulate the paris = >>>eq. >>> >>> I=20 >>>am familiar with the "pretty colored and non-linear" comment about=20 >>>this >>> plug, as I read and responded to it way back when = >>>on=20 >>>whatever vst forum > it >>> was posted=20 >>>in. >>> >>> >>> I know this won't = >>>help=20 >>>anyones perception, but when I hear people >>>=20 >>>wondering >>> how to capture the paris special sauce - this = >>>plug is=20 >>>it. >>> >>> = >>>CHuck >
>> >>> "DC"=20 >>><>>size=3D2>dc@spammersinheck.com>>size=3D2>>=20 >>>wrote: >>>> >>>>As I understand it, that = >>>EQ was=20 >>>pretty colored and non-linear. >>>>What I need is simple, = >>>clean,=20 >>>accurate band splits. The Paris EQ >>>>does this = >>>nicely,=20 >>>but the whole process is tedious to say the=20 >>>least. >>>> >>>>Sounds great=20 >>>though. >>>> >>>>DC >>>> = >>>>>>> >>>>"RiverLake=20 >>>Farms" <>>face=3DArial=20 >>>size=3D2>edna@texomaonline.com>>size=3D2>>=20 >>>wrote: >>>>>Is the Paris EQ plug still=20 >>>available? >>>>>Thanks,=20 >>>Edna >>>>> >>>>>"Aaron Allen" = >>><<A=20 >>>href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude">>>size=3D2>nospam@not_here.dude> = >>>wrote in=20 >>>message >>>>>news:447948de$1@linux... >>>&g= >>>t;>> >>>>>>=20 >>>> I'm going to skip over a million details and just say that the=20 >>>secret >>>>>> > is bouncing each stereo freq = >>>band with=20 >>>EQ only and then the next >>>>>> > set etc until = >>>all are=20 >>>done. Then you bring the bands back to = >>>the >>>>>>=20 >>>> editor, shut off the EQ and start working on your comp=20 >>>settings. >>>>>> > (yes you have to do 4 passes = >>>to just=20 >>>create the files to do=20 >>>this!) >>>>>> >>>>>> DC, this = >>>can be=20 >>>achieved SO much faster using the Matt Craig Paris >=20 >>>VST >>>>EQ, >>>>>> and in real = >>>timeif you=20 >>>want to adjust your bands. Have you tried the >>>=20 >>>VST >>>>>> Paris EQ for this application=20 >>>yet? >>>>>> It doth rock=20 >>>much. >>>>>> >>>>>>=20 >>>AA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>= >>>;>>> >>>>>>=20 >>>"DC" <>>face=3DArial=20 >>>size=3D2>dc@spammersinhell.com>>size=3D2>> wrote in=20 >>>message >>size=3D2>news:44793f10$1@linux>>size=3D2>... >>>>>> = >>>> >>>>>> > Ok,=20 >>>here's the short version. I've been working on this most = >>>of >=20 >>>the >>>>>> > day and am about to turn in, so = >>>this is=20 >>>very incomplete. >>>>>> = >>>> >>>>>>=20 >>>> It is a version of Sakis' band-split technique where you use 4=20 >>>stereo >>>>>> > bands and 8 channels and 8=20 >>>compressors. >>>>>> = >>>> >>>>>> >=20 >>>I'm going to
>>>>>>>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you? >>>>>>>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>=20 >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >charset=3Diso-8859-1"> >> >> >> >> >> Ok, you asked for it......... PC = >>mastering=20 >>technique in Paris: >> >> Take your 2 track L/R master = >>final mix=20 >>file. Put the Left mix file on Channels 1,3,5 and 7. Pan hard left. = >>Put the=20 >>Right mix file on Channels 2,4,6 and 8. Pan hard right. Using the Paris >= >>VST EQ,=20 >>split the files into different bands. 1/2 will be lo pass, 3/4 will be = >>low mid=20 >>band, 5/6 will be hi mid band, 7/8 will be hi pass. Freq will vary = >>depending on=20 >>taste and what you're going for and program material. Use your ears, = >>nobody can=20 >>hand you that in text and be completely accurate. Start with the Sakis=20 >>Frequencies... Lo 20-90hz. Lo-Mid 90-540 Hi-Mid = >>540-6Khz Hi=20 >>6-20Khz. Compress each 'set' of channels (1/2, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8) with = >>either the=20 >>Paris Compressor or with a good sounding native POST Paris VST EQ. The = >>placement=20 >>is absolutely critical. Tie all faders together using Grouping on the = >>mixer. Do=20 >>not for ANY reason split these waves into another editor unless you're = >>ready to=20 >>fight phase and time delay demons between submixes. Also, be sure you = >>have=20 >>everything selected with the time lock tool when you do this - same = >>reason about=20 >>phase/time. >> >> Now, the thing is, you can = >>adjust the=20 >>Gain/EQ mojo separately for each band, you can compress with different = >>ratios,=20 >>thresholds.. whatever suits the material, all in Paris. If you use the = >>Paris=20 >>compressor, be sure to match each pair of tracks' settings (1=3D2, = >>3=3D4, 5=3D6, 7=3D8).=20 >>Ditto on the eq bands, they must match, period. >> >> Now then, for more secret sauce >= >>beyond the=20 >>Eq/Gain trick.. put one more compressor on the global but do NOT = >>compress with=20 >>it. Threshold all the way up, ratio all the way down. Instead, use the = >>gain=20 >>output to beat the snot out of the signal hitting the global bus, but = >>... and=20 >>this is also super important... keep the global fader at -0.3 or -0.5 dB >= >>or=20 >>you'll blister the ^&*#&$ out of the cheapo wal mart digital = >>converters=20 >>that your stuff will eventually have to suffer. >> Be careful in all this, you = >>have SO much=20 >>gain shaping you can turn the wav into a baby ruth in the repro=20 >>guy's editor... and no one wants to find a baby ruth floating in = >>their pool=20 >>of music. Don't smash it so much that it only takes 5 bits to play = >>it back=20 >>faithfully. Again, use your ears man.. pop and aggressive tunes will = >>take more=20 >>abuse than say, a ballad or classical. This is part of the 'program = >>material=20 >>dependant' thing I mentioned earlier. Don't treat a jazz standard like a >= >>Pantera=20 >>tune, for example. >> >> Essentially you are creating a Waves = >>multiband=20 >>compressor, only you're using Paris to do it and it sounds.. well, .. = >>better=20 >>IMO. YMMV. If you plan to do this a lot, do your self a huge favor and=20 >>create your own template PPJ you can just time lock drag the = >>'files'=20 >>to and be on your way. >> >> For you Mac mastering gurus, just = >>replace the Paris=20 >>VST EQ with a good sounding phase coherent EQ capable of lo pass, band = >>pass and=20 >>hi pass. Sorry,
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