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Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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date: 2006-04-12T04:39:58-00:00

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date: 2006-04-12T04:42:20-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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creator: Kim
date: 2006-04-12T08:32:57-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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creator: Neil
date: 2006-04-12T13:04:12-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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creator: geo
date: 2006-04-12T13:06:26-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: at >>> maximum, >>> UNDER ME there is a HOT HOT output well into severe "tube" distortion > >>> thing >>> as opposed to XP which remains natural (well some distortion there too). >>> PLease note ONLY the forst EQ slot behaves like this !!! >>> I could not replicate this effect with other eq slots. >>> >>> Yes I believe the Paris drivers may make Paris act differently, maybe > XP >>> drivers are better ? >>> >>> Well I don't know what other things "sound" different beetween the two > but >>> I am willing to investigate. >>> >>> Hope this helps a little bit more. >>> Regards, >>> Dimitrios >>> >>> "Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>Opps I meant to say hotter on the ME file. >>>>Damn I need a proffreeder. ;-} >>>> >>>> >>>>"Paul" <pn@nc.nospam.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Sound like the level is hotter on the XP file. This might be reaching >>> a >>>>bit, >>>>>but have you verified that the levels (pro/semi pro) on the MEC module >>> are >>>>>set the same between the two. I know that they are saved with the >>>>>project, >>>>>but could XP somehow be loosing the setting? Have you tried toggling > it >>>>back >>>>>and forth just to see? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Here is the second wave mono file for Me. >>>>>>Please read previous post tounderstand. >>>>>>Regards, >>>>>>Dimitrios >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote: >>>>>>>Me neither, I'd go as far as to say...not possible. >>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>Martin Harrington >>>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:44598399$1@linux... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't understand how the OS could make a difference at all >>>>>>>> with regard to the sound an application produces. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not calling you a liar, but I sure would like you to elaborate >>>>>>>> or provide some kind of basis for your statements if you can. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Neil >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Dimi…
creator: dc[3]
date: 2006-04-12T14:06:04-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: ank">animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote: > >This message has shut me down on three consecutive ASUS A8V obo's. I have > no > >USB devices attached to the system. I have only an > >AGP video card in the system. I have tried swapping the video card thinking > >that it might be defective. I have tried substuting a PCI video card > >thinking that the AGP slot might be an issue. I have tried using a different > >PSU. I have cleared the CMOS and rebooted, reset the clock and then allowed > >the system to try to post, no luck. Could defective fans on removable drive > >caddies cause something like this? > >I'm running out of suspects. What about RAM? If so, WTF would this have > to > >do with over current on the USB port? > > > >Clearing the CMOS will let me enter the BIOS. After I reset everything, > I > >get the over current message and after that, I am unable to enter the BIOS > >again without clearing the CMOS again. > > > >I'm getting ready to use this POS for dropkick practice. > > > >Deej > > > > >Dave, I'm going to try this, but reverting to an earlier BIOs version may be a step backwards in other areas of compatibility because I'm using a dual core CPU. Here's what the "experts" had to say about this issue on the Experts Exchange forum I paid $10.00 to subscribe to: ____________________________________________________ OK here it is, I start up the computer only to have it hang with the message " USB Device Over Current Status Detected!!", before loading Windows, everything seems fine in the POST. Now I have not seen this since Windows 95. Can't find a solution on the web so i thought I would challenge you guys (the pros). I have cleared the CMOS and that has worked. I have unplugged all USB devices, but I can not get windows to load to take it away. I can not even get into the BIOS. The floppy is set to 1st boot and it will not bnoot to DOS, also have tried the Install CD, no luck. HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!! anyone out there any ideas would be helpful. In Addition…
creator: LaMont
date: 2006-04-14T05:04:13-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: bo and once I got a stable configuration, I got crackling in the audio so I was very limited in the use of the UAD-1 resources which is a must for the way I want to work. I'm going to get this DAW to work somehow, or die trying. In the meantime, my old Paris rig hums along like a champ running Win ME on the old ASUS A7V8x with 2 x Matrox G450's pushing 4 x CRT's. ;o) "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:445bd8b7$1@linux... > Try re-flashing with a different Bios version. > > David. > > DJ wrote: > > This message has shut me down on three consecutive ASUS A8V obo's. I have no > > USB devices attached to the system. I have only an > > AGP video card in the system. I have tried swapping the video card thinking > > that it might be defective. I have tried substuting a PCI video card > > thinking that the AGP slot might be an issue. I have tried using a different > > PSU. I have cleared the CMOS and rebooted, reset the clock and then allowed > > the system to try to post, no luck. Could defective fans on removable drive > > caddies cause something like this? > > I'm running out of suspects. What about RAM? If so, WTF would this have to > > do with over current on the USB port? > > > > Clearing the CMOS will let me enter the BIOS. After I reset everything, I > > get the over current message and after that, I am unable to enter the BIOS > > again without clearing the CMOS again. > > > > I'm getting ready to use this POS for dropkick practice. > > > > Deej > > > >That's mighty friggin' annoying, but I always suspected that of that experts group thingy. Never did fork out the cash, and now I'm glad. How on earth can they claim to be justified in charging you for something like that when they have no solution?!?! The thing is that it was so clearly your fault that the guy had, and $10 was a small price to pay if it actually did solve it... was worth the gamble. Cheers, Kim. "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote: >I got curious and I figured, "ya'know,…
creator: gene lennon
date: 2006-04-14T05:53:47-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: ered I'll reflash the first BIOS to see if it makes a difference, otherwise this MB will have to go back, which is annoying, as I've already swapped it over twice. Bad luck I guess. Cheers, Kim. "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote: >Dave, > >I'm going to try this, but reverting to an earlier BIOs version may be a >step backwards in other areas of compatibility because I'm using a dual core >CPU. > >Here's what the "experts" had to say about this issue on the Experts >Exchange forum I paid $10.00 to subscribe to: >____________________________________________________ >OK here it is, I start up the computer only to have it hang with the >message " USB Device Over Current Status Detected!!", before loading >Windows, everything seems fine in the POST. Now I have not seen this since >Windows 95. Can't find a solution on the web so i thought I would challenge >you guys (the pros). > >I have cleared the CMOS and that has worked. I have unplugged all USB >devices, but I can not get windows to load to take it away. I can not even >get into the BIOS. The floppy is set to 1st boot and it will not bnoot to >DOS, also have tried the Install CD, no luck. > >HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!! anyone out there any ideas would be helpful. > >In Addition to the above I have torn down the build and rebuilt it from the >ground up to see what the problem is piece by piece. Each time I think I >have it it gives me the same error message before windows loads " USB Over >Current Status Detected, Computer will shut down in 15 seconds". at which >point it does and I have to clear the CMOS to get it to run again. One >thing that is very strange and may have no Bering on this is it seems to run >fine and then I close the case (ThermalTake Tai Chi, with water cooling) and >the message reappears. > >Again help would be appreciated. > >Here are the specs: >ASUS A8N SLI Deluxe MOBO >AMD X2 4800 >Corsair XMS 3500LL pro 1024 x4 >PC Power and cooling 850 >WD Raptor 74 x2 >x-fi sound card > >Help please, …
creator: Dedric Terry
date: 2006-04-14T06:08:44-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: rt testing RAM, though I know this is a long shot, but WTF else >have I got to do with my time.......right???? > >Well actually..........I have located and purchased a Gigabyte GA-K8NS >Ultra-939 mobo. I have it on good authority that this is the only other AGP >based mobo that works with multiple UAD-1 cards. Also, it looks to be about >twice the mobo the ASUS A8V is in terms of onboard features. It's got a >Silcon Image SATA controller instead of the Promise POS that comes with the >ASUS board. I've been wanting to run a couple of 74G Raptors in RAID 0 so >that feature, in itself, is worth the grief of switching over. > >This ASUS mobo has been a really disappointing experience that has been prob >lematic, on and off, since the Christmas holidays. It was hard to achieve >stability with this mobo and once I got a stable configuration, I got >crackling in the audio so I was very limited in the use of the UAD-1 >resources which is a must for the way I want to work. > >I'm going to get this DAW to work somehow, or die trying. In the meantime, >my old Paris rig hums along like a champ running Win ME on the old ASUS >A7V8x with 2 x Matrox G450's pushing 4 x CRT's. > >;o) > >"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:445bd8b7$1@linux... >> Try re-flashing with a different Bios version. >> >> David. >> >> DJ wrote: >> > This message has shut me down on three consecutive ASUS A8V obo's. I >have no >> > USB devices attached to the system. I have only an >> > AGP video card in the system. I have tried swapping the video card >thinking >> > that it might be defective. I have tried substuting a PCI video card >> > thinking that the AGP slot might be an issue. I have tried using a >different >> > PSU. I have cleared the CMOS and rebooted, reset the clock and then >allowed >> > the system to try to post, no luck. Could defective fans on removable >drive >> > caddies cause something like this? >> > I'm running out of suspects. What about RAM? If so, WTF would this have >…
creator: Kim
date: 2006-04-14T06:41:21-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: in each time, or what chord is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by referring to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note straight off. Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it? I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative pitch is pretty good usually. Any opinions? Cheers, Kim.The issue seems to be in the v1017 bios itself. I just rolled back to the v1014 bios and I'm up and running. WTF is with ASUS anyway? It seems that they have added an over current warning that emulates an over current scenario and shuts their system down.......genius.....pure genius...... Thanks for the suggestion Dave. I would have never thought to do this if you hadn't suggested it. ;oPI would seriously take a shot at it... you are demanding quite a bit from your system, but it should still at least boot! ;-) Let us know what happens once you've "dumbed down" the bios. David. DJ wrote: > BTW....I'm using v1017 which specifically states that one of the features is > the "Add warning for USB overcurrent situation" > > The previous version, 1014 doesn't have this warning. I'm wondering what > I've got to lose by reverting to the earlier bios and just seeing if it will > work. I'm actually thinking that there is not a friggin thing wrong with my > gear, just that for some reason this is a defect in the bios. > > I have DL'ed it and I may give it a try. > > What do you think? > > Deej > > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message > news:445c10f9@linux... > >>Thanks Dave, >> >>I'm thinking of just throwing in the towel, sending Chris Ludwig all of my >>stuff and getting him to build and configure this thing. I like building > > my > >>own computers because if something goes wrong, I know how to fix it, but > > the > >>dance I'm doing here with 3 x RME PCI cards, 4 x UAD-1 cards, a 13 slot >>Magma, 4G of RAM just seems to be like walking the razor's edge as far as >>system…
creator: Martin Harrington
date: 2006-04-14T06:51:14-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: I have something here that works reliably. I've had a bit > >>of slack time over the last few weeks, but my producer/associate is > >>returning from Hawaii on May 26th and we've got a lot of stuff lined up. I > >>need to be up and running PDQ. > >> > >>Deej > >> > >>"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message > >>news:445bfefb$1@linux... > >> > >>>Man, that sucks... ours is working great. It must have > >>>something to do with Bios versions. I am away from the > >>>office for the weekend, but when I get back in on monday I > >>>can let you know which version we are running. I know I > >>>didn't update it at all... just ran it as-is. > >>> > >>>David. > >>> > >>>DJ wrote: > >>> > >>>>Dave, > >>>> > >>>>I'm going to try this, but reverting to an earlier BIOs version may be > > > > a > > > >>>>step backwards in other areas of compatibility because I'm using a > > > > dual > > > >>core > >> > >>>>CPU. > >>> > >>>>snippage. > >> > >> > > > >Sounds like a con to me Kim. If it was any good at all, I'm sure they would be charging a lot more than $139. Remember the old adage... "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is". -- Martin Harrington www.lendanear-sound.com "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:445c1990$1@linux... > > > Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or > you > don't. > > There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but then > he's in the business of convincing people of that: > http://www.perfectpitch.com/ > > I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell it > out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the bargain > of the century. > > Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person who > was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or developed > it, later? Is it possible? > > I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can > develop > it that I would be able t…
creator: Kim
date: 2006-04-14T06:54:43-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: something that can be learned? Has anybody done it? >> >> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative pitch >> is pretty good usually. >> >> Any opinions? >> >> Cheers, >> Kim. > >"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote: >Funny you should mention color - that is how I hear pitches, in colorations >and degrees, and I can't believe I'm the only one it works like this with. I was considering a while back maybe trying to write down the colors I felt were represented by each note. Do you actually mean that literally? That the notes are colors? Like, is there a note that's orange to you? If so, have you even compared to somebody else to see if both of you a "hearing the same colors"? >Kind of like when you hear an open E on a Gtr, you just know it's an open E. Yeh, there's no missing that... or a G chord is pretty obvious. >It's a blessing "and" a curse. When something's off it's like swallowing >rusty roofing nails having to listen to it. I've heard this said by many with perfect pitch. I can't help but think the advantages outweight the disadvantages. I have enough perfect pitch already that I sometimes get thrown when I'm on a flat instrument. In fact it surprises me that I evidently do use some small amount of perfect pitch in my playing... every now again on a flat instrument I'll do something where I play a wrong chord and then realise "Hold on,
creator: dc[4]
date: 2006-04-14T07:10:04-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: If you hit middle C on a piano, I wouldn't have a clue what it was. >> >> I think there may be degrees of pitch recognition....then again, I'm also >> colorblind in that I can see differences in the color spectrum but I can't >> tell you the names of the colors......ie.......grass is red, unless there >> is >> a red reference that I can see....then I can tell it is green.......same >> scenario with green and grey, blue and purple, brown and green and the >> list >> goes on. >> >> Deej >> >> >> >> >> ux... >>> >>> >>> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or >> you >>> don't. >>> >>> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but >>> then >>> he's in the business of convincing people of that: >>> http://www.perfectpitch.com/ >>> >>> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell >>> it >>> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the bargain >>> of the century. >>> >>> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person who >>> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or developed >>> it, later? Is it possible? >>> >>> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can >> develop >>> it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key >>> it's >>> in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining >>> chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are, >>> and >>> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound >> like >>> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within about >>> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song >>> on >>> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord >>> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by >> referring >>> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note >> straight >&g
creator: Deej [1]
date: 2006-04-14T07:22:18-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: d like? It would drive me bananas. I have really good relative pitch and it bugs me enough with the less than perfect studio clients. Start with intervals. Move on to chords (inversions too). Be able to sing what you hear. I can use any CD for ear training. It's almost a constant in my world. Just focus on bass, vocal or whatever is somewhat deceiving to you. If you can sing it you are more than half way there. I'm listening, Tom "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message = news:445c1990$1@linux... Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, = or you don't. There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but = then he's in the business of convincing people of that: http://www.perfectpitch.com/ I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to = shell it out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the = bargain of the century. Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person = who was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or = developed it, later? Is it possible? I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody = can develop it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key = it's in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start = imagining chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are, = and that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound = like mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within = about 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a = song on the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what = chord is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by = referring to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every = note straight off. Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it? I know relative pitch is just a matter of …
creator: cujo
date: 2006-04-14T13:38:05-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: = tune a=20 guitar with no strings on it and get it within about 5-10 cents of = in tune=20 every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song on the radio and = just=20 easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord is playing, = or what=20 note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by referring to = other songs=20 in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note=20 straight off. Do you think it's something that can be = learned? Has=20 anybody done it? I know relative pitch is just a matter of = training,=20 but my relative pitch is pretty good usually. Any=20 opinions? Cheers, Kim. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C670A4.0F475B80-->Have you finished your jazz training?!?! >Wow. Hehe, I don't muck about. ;o) Seriously though, I figure it would help a lot with jazz, due to the nature of jazz performance often involving musos making chord substitutions, and choosing their own scales. The better your ear, the better you can tell what everyone else is doing, and the better you can adapt. >What is it about perfect pitch that you would like? To be able to know exactly what's going on musically at any given point in time, without question... hence allowing me to focus only on playing, and never have to worry about working out what will fit. >It would drive me bananas. I have really good relative pitch >and it bugs me enough with the less than perfect >studio clients. True. I've given up recording other people though. For now anyhow. I used to find it too frustrating. I find it frustrating enough dealing with my own inadequacies, so when a client is less skilled than me... ARGHHH!!! My relative pitch is quite good. I mean give me your average pop song, and if I am told, or able to work out, what key it's in, I can for the most part follow the whole thing all the way through in terms of what the chords are doing and the like. I get thrown a bit by odd key changes and the like however. I'd like my perception to be bullet proof. I learned music initially by the…
creator: Dedric Terry
date: 2006-04-14T13:45:46-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: > > > Yeh, there's no missing that... or a G chord is pretty obvious. > >>It's a blessing "and" a curse. When something's off it's like swallowing > >>rusty roofing nails having to listen to it. > > I've heard this said by many with perfect pitch. I can't help but think > the > advantages outweight the disadvantages. I have enough perfect pitch > already > that I sometimes get thrown when I'm on a flat instrument. In fact it > surprises > me that I evidently do use some small amount of perfect pitch in my > playing... > every now again on a flat instrument I'll do something where I play a > wrong > chord and then realise "Hold on, that would have been right if the > instrument > was the right pitch". > > So, do you actually think of actual colors? If so, would you mind listing > the colors for me for each note? That might come in very handy... > > Cheers, > Kim. > >> >>AA >> >> >>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message >>news:445c1f01@linux... >>> Kim, >>> >>> I can tune a guitar (A=440hz) without any reference. I can do it >>> consistently, from scratch. >>> >>> If you hit middle C on a piano, I wouldn't have a clue what it was. >>> >>> I think there may be degrees of pitch recognition....then again, I'm >>> also >>> colorblind in that I can see differences in the color spectrum but I >>> can't >>> tell you the names of the colors......ie.......grass is red, unless >>> there > >>> is >>> a red reference that I can see....then I can tell it is green.......same >>> scenario with green and grey, blue and purple, brown and green and the > >>> list >>> goes on. >>> >>> Deej >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ux... >>>> >>>> >>>> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, > or >>> you >>>> don't. >>>> >>>> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but > >>>> then >>>> he's in the business of convincing people of that: >>>> http://www.perfectpitch.com/ >>>> >>>> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't…
creator: LaMont
date: 2006-04-14T16:54:34-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are, >> >>>>> and >>>>> that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound >>>> like >>>>> mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within >>>>> about >>>>> 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song >> >>>>> on >>>>> the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what >>>>> chord >>>>> is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by >>>> referring >>>>> to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note >>>> straight >>>>> off. >>>>> >>>>> Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody done it? >>>>> >>>>> I know relative pitch is just a matter of training, but my relative >>>>> pitch >>>>> is pretty good usually. >>>>> >>>>> Any opinions? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Kim. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you? >>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html >>> >>> >> > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C670AE.3853BC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kim, I'd focus on intervals for the sake of hearing lines in jazz. Next I'd focus on harmony too. Hearing chords in all inversions. Diatonic or not. Keys are only relative. Use your interval training to hear the deceiving chord changes/melodies. Go to a piano and plunk out two notes. State the interval. Jump more than an octave or two also. When you can do that you're in a good place. Get someone to play voicings/chord changes=20 for you. Be able to pick them out major, minor, diminished, augmented=20 with and without tensions. They shouldn't always be from the same key.=20 When you feel comforable with this you'll be glad you don't have perfect = pitch. I've known two people with it and was quite distracting to them. Site sing written melodies too. There's a lesson. Give yourself the = starting note. Sing …
creator: Deej [1]
date: 2006-04-14T16:58:10-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: 4;hotmail.com">hiddensounds@hotmail.com>= =3D > wrote=3D20 > in message <A=3D20 > =3D = >href=3D3D"news:445c1990$1@linux">news:445c1990$1@linux... <= BR>=3D >Now=3D20 > there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, = or=3D20 > you don't. There's this guy on the other hand who reckons = it =3D >can be=3D20 > learned, but then he's in the business of convincing people of = =3D >that: <A=3D20 > =3D = >href=3D3D"http://www.perfectpitch.com/">http://www.perfectpitch.com/= <BR=3D >> I'm=3D20 > thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell = =3D >it out=3D20 > for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the =3D >bargain of the=3D20 > century. Does anybody here actually know anyone who has =3D >developed it? A=3D20 > person who was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow = learned =3D >it, or=3D20 > developed it, later? Is it possible? I have kinda of = partial =3D >perfect=3D20 > pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can develop it that I would = be =3D >able to.=3D20 > Sometimes I hear a song and know what key it's in straight away. = It =3D >can=3D20 > just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining chords on piano = =3D >usually I=3D20 > can hear them, and know what pitch they are, and that they are = =3D >right in my=3D20 > head, and know exactly what they would sound like mostly. I can = =3D >tune a=3D20 > guitar with no strings on it and get it within about 5-10 cents = of =3D >in tune=3D20 > every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song on the radio = and =3D >just=3D20 > easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord is = playing, =3D >or what=3D20 > note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by referring to = =3D >other songs=3D20 > in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note=3D20 > straight off. Do you think it's something that can be =3D >learned? Has=3D20 > anybody done it? I know relative pitch is just a matter of = =3D >training,=3D20 > but my relative pitch is pretty good u…
creator: JD
date: 2006-04-14T17:29:08-00:00

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creator: JD
date: 2006-04-14T17:35:37-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: on at the bottom. -steve yes, I used to play accordion with a banjo player... "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote: >ROTFL!!!!!...........or an accordian > >;o) > >"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message >news:445c2939$1@linux... >> >> Damn--all this time time I thought perfect pitch was\ >> being able to throw a harmonica 25 feet into a toilet >> without hitting the rim... >> >> :( >> >> >> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >>Have you finished your jazz training?!?! >> >>Wow. >> > >> >Hehe, I don't muck about. ;o) Seriously though, I figure it would help a >> >lot with jazz, due to the nature of jazz performance often involving >musos >> >making chord substitutions, and choosing their own scales. The better >your >> >ear, the better you can tell what everyone else is doing, and the better >> >you can adapt. >> > >> >>What is it about perfect pitch that you would like? >> > >> >To be able to know exactly what's going on musically at any given point >> in >> >time, without question... hence allowing me to focus only on playing, >and >> >never have to worry about working out what will fit. >> > >> >>It would drive me bananas. I have really good relative pitch >> >>and it bugs me enough with the less than perfect >> >>studio clients. >> > >> >True. I've given up recording other people though. For now anyhow. I used >> >to find it too frustrating. I find it frustrating enough dealing with my >> >own inadequacies, so when a client is less skilled than me... ARGHHH!!! >> > >> >My relative pitch is quite good. I mean give me your average pop song, >and >> >if I am told, or able to work out, what key it's in, I can for the most >> part >> >follow the whole thing all the way through in terms of what the chords >are >> >doing and the like. I get thrown a bit by odd key changes and the like >however. >> >I'd like my perception to be bullet proof. >> > >> >I learned music initially by the Suzuki method, which is by ear, so my >ear >> >i…
creator: Dedric Terry
date: 2006-04-14T17:55:42-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: else. Sounds goofy, but it worked. Long ago I got one of those courses. Same guy. It was only, oh, like $39 back then. This was long ago. Did I say that? Anyway, it as set up mostly to use with another person, and I didn't have anyone around. But the first lesson, sort of the demo, was to have your friend go to a piano and hit an Eb, and then an F#. Have them hit a series of them. Listen to the difference between them. The idea was that you wouldn't know which was which, but you'd rapidly figure out that each note had its own qualities. Sure enough, there was quite a difference, and not just the pitch. The Eb, as you say, was mellow, and the F# was, relatively, quite grating. Then the instructions were to go and do this on another instrument, because you'd honestly think it was some peculiarity of your particular keyboard if you didn't. And sure enough, I noticed that ALL Ebs were mellow, and all F#s were the opposite. At this point I got distracted, and never talked anyone else into helping along. The Dave Burg course is still around somewhere. Maybe it will turn up. -steve..............and I've found the "gotcha" with this now. The Matrox P750 may possibly require the latest ASUS bios update in order to display the bios properly at boot up......and the latest ASUS bios is the kiss of death due to the USB over current emulation *feature* ;o( Right now that isn't possible without removing the P750 video card and installing a G450, opening the bios, making the tweaks, then shutting down and replacing the P750. There is a Matrox utility that is supposed to remedy this issue but
creator: EK Sound
date: 2006-04-14T18:15:22-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: I can't get it to work. I'm going to see what's up with that. I can probably figure out why. I may be able to cure this by turning off the splash screen at boot up, but I'm not sure if this will fix anything because it's a resolution issue and the bios displays at the same resolution as the splash screen. Other than that, things are going pretty well. I've updated Windows to SP2 and all the updates (necessary for the the current AMD driver, which has now also been installed. I've updated the Matrox P750 driver and updated the P750 bios. It's working well across 3 x screens (2 x 21" Trinitron CRT's and one Samsung 17" LCD) at 1280 x 960 resolution. Cubase SX3 is loaded as are the demonfromhelldrivers for the Steinberg Houston controller. System is very fast and feels stable (well, it should be, there is no other hardware loaded at this point.) Tomorrow I start loading the RME and UAD-1 cards, then all of the VSTi's.......oh joy......that's an all day sucker. Thanks again to Dave and Chris Ludwig and everyone else for the help and suggestions.. ;O) G'nite!!! "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message news:445c2f2b@linux... > pretty unbelievable.....I'll admit. > > "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:445c24e0$1@linux... > > > > > > That is ridiculous. How many hours did that cost you? You've got enough to > > deal with with your system without stupid issues like that getting in the > > way... > > > > Cheers, > > Kim. > > > > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote: > > >The issue seems to be in the v1017 bios itself. I just rolled back to the > > >v1014 bios and I'm up and running. > > > > > >WTF is with ASUS anyway? It seems that they have added an over current > > >warning that emulates an over current scenario and shuts their system > > >down.......genius.....pure genius...... > > > > > >Thanks for the suggestion Dave. I would have never thought to do this if > > you > > >hadn't suggested it. > > > > > >;oP > > > > > > > > …
creator: JD
date: 2006-04-14T18:43:45-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.-Reality check
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description: hat as a >> > possibility, Thank You. >> > >> > I will keep you posted. >> > >> > PS; This is the longest it has stayed up and running (with many > restarts) >> > as it has in the past. >> > ________________________________________________ >> > >> > I can assure you my issue is not between the mobo and mounting plate as >> > the >> > mobo is sitting on a non-conductive rubber pad. >> > >> > I just pulled my keyboard and mouse off their extenders. No difference. >> > I'm >> > getting ready to lose the removable HD caddies and try it again. Then > I'm >> > going to start testing RAM, though I know this is a long shot, but WTF >> > else >> > have I got to do with my time.......right???? >> > >> > Well actually..........I have located and purchased a Gigabyte GA-K8NS >> > Ultra-939 mobo. I have it on good authority that this is the only other >> > AGP >> > based mobo that works with multiple UAD-1 cards. Also, it looks to be >> > about >> > twice the mobo the ASUS A8V is in terms of onboard features. It's got >> > a >> > Silcon Image SATA controller instead of the Promise POS that comes with >> > the >> > ASUS board. I've been wanting to run a couple of 74G Raptors in RAID 0 > so >> > that feature, in itself, is worth the grief of switching over. >> > >> > This ASUS mobo has been a really disappointing experience that has been >> > prob >> > lematic, on and off, since the Christmas holidays. It was hard to > achieve >> > stability with this mobo and once I got a stable configuration, I got >> > crackling in the audio so I was very limited in the use of the UAD-1 >> > resources which is a must for the way I want to work. >> > >> > I'm going to get this DAW to work somehow, or die trying. In the > meantime, >> > my old Paris rig hums along like a champ running Win ME on the old ASUS >> > A7V8x with 2 x Matrox G450's pushing 4 x CRT's. >> > >> > ;o) >> > >> > "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:445bd8b7$1@linux... >> >> Try re-flashing with a different Bios…
creator: Music Lab Sweden
date: 2006-04-14T19:15:12-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.-Reality check
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description: JamieKrutz.com Ab wrote: > After a few years of intensively using Logic, I didn't even know what they > were > talking about when I saw this "softsynths dropping out" fix in 7.2.1 > It never happened to me running Logic on a dual G5 2.7 5gig Ram nor > on my PB G4 1.5 2gig Ram. Still I installed 7.2 beginning of this week and > 7.2.1 > today and everything seems at least to be as healthy as before. Happy Logic > user! > > Greetings > Ab > > Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >> After YEARS of specific neglect, it looks like my top Logic bug may have > >> finally bit the dust. >> >> Here's the list of fixes in Logic 7.2.1, just out: >> >> -Intel Macs: ReWire and ReCycle support, Standard MIDI file export, OMF > >> import, VSL EXS instrument compatibility >> -Blank Sample Editor window in some circumstances >> >> BLINK >> -----> -Unexpected halt of software instrument output <----- >> BLINK >> >> -Compatibility with Logic 7.1 songs >> -Direct playback of MP3 files >> -EuCon support for the Euphonix MC and CM408T control surfaces >> >> >> I've complained here about the "software instruments dropping out at >> random" problem. It has kept me from enthusiastically recommending Logic > >> even though overall the program is very good. >> >> I'll still have to order the $50 update to see if it's really fixed. If > >> it is....WOOEEEE! (and it's about @#$@# time...) >> >> Cheers, >> -Jamie >> http://www.JamieKrutz.com >> >> >Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: > >For folks who do mostly audio recording or external hardware synths >there's no problem. For heavy users of soft synths it can happen >multiple times during the day. First Logic version I used was 4.7 on a PB 667 but only with hardware synths. When crossgrading to version 5 I thought it would be handy to have some soft instruments as well like evp88 and exs24. They were optional at that time. This was just before version 6 came out where all of the instruments were included. Bummer! If it happens while a client …
creator: Deej [1]
date: 2006-04-14T19:52:06-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: alking about when I saw this "softsynths dropping out" fix in 7.2.1 >> It never happened to me running Logic on a dual G5 2.7 5gig Ram nor >> on my PB G4 1.5 2gig Ram. Still I installed 7.2 beginning of this week and >> 7.2.1 >> today and everything seems at least to be as healthy as before. Happy Logic >> user! >> >> Greetings >> Ab >> >> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >>> After YEARS of specific neglect, it looks like my top Logic bug may have >> >>> finally bit the dust. >>> >>> Here's the list of fixes in Logic 7.2.1, just out: >>> >>> -Intel Macs: ReWire and ReCycle support, Standard MIDI file export, OMF >> >>> import, VSL EXS instrument compatibility >>> -Blank Sample Editor window in some circumstances >>> >>> BLINK >>> -----> -Unexpected halt of software instrument output <----- >>> BLINK >>> >>> -Compatibility with Logic 7.1 songs >>> -Direct playback of MP3 files >>> -EuCon support for the Euphonix MC and CM408T control surfaces >>> >>> >>> I've complained here about the "software instruments dropping out at >>> random" problem. It has kept me from enthusiastically recommending Logic >> >>> even though overall the program is very good. >>> >>> I'll still have to order the $50 update to see if it's really fixed. If >> >>> it is....WOOEEEE! (and it's about @#$@# time...) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> -Jamie >>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com >>> >>> >>Jamie, When I was a heavey Logic (PC) user on version 5.3, I use to experience vsti drops under medium to heavy usage. BUT!!, I soon discovered that unlike my Mac version of Logic, the PC version had an advantage. AND that was advantage was: I was able to "re-initiate" the Asio drivers in the "audio hardware window". By re-launching the the Asio audio driver, this would bring back the lost vsti. Therefore, I no longer had to shut down Logic, or worse, rebooot the PC/Mac. Strangly, on my G4, I was not able to relaunch the Asio audio drivers. But, the PC version was able to pull this off.. After Apple went Mac exclusivl…
creator: LaMont
date: 2006-04-14T20:17:09-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.-Reality check
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description: That's why >I will >get a Macbook but since I've always been a "first generation" buyer (and >most of the >time regretted) I will now wait till the next model comes. I only hope I >won' get >impatient. Also most of the 3rd party plugins developpers have not written >their universal driver yet so... > >> >>It was reported to be less frequent with Logic 7.2 but still there. I >>didn't originally do the "crossgrade" from 7.1 to 7.2 because it's >>mostly about running on Intel and I don't have an Intel Mac. But I've >>ordered it now because this new 7.2.1 update requires 7.2. > >Exactly my thoughts though in the end there were two good reasons to do the >crossgrade: 1. Compatability with PT 7 and 2. the possiblilty to use Serato >LE >as soon it comes out (planned for the end of Mai I think). When I first played >a song after installing 7.2 I didn't have any sound coming out of my Mobile >2882 >interface, but the meters on the output were crancked up to the ceiling. >My first >reaction:WTF..... but fortunately the guys at Metric Halo have been very >busy and >released already end February the Universal version of their MIO driver. >After install >smiling all over the place. >Anyway, I will try to reproduce the "dropping out" issue and if I find any, >I'll let you know. Even if from time to time small bugs come to the surface,(which >app doesn't >have them) I would recommand Logic to everyone who want to take their audio >and postproductions many steps forward. > >Greetings, > >Ab > > >>Cheers, >> -Jamie >> http://www.JamieKrutz.com >> >> >> >>Ab wrote: >>> After a few years of intensively using Logic, I didn't even know what >they >>> were >>> talking about when I saw this "softsynths dropping out" fix in 7.2.1 >>> It never happened to me running Logic on a dual G5 2.7 5gig Ram nor >>> on my PB G4 1.5 2gig Ram. Still I installed 7.2 beginning of this week >and >>> 7.2.1 >>> today and everything seems at least to be as healthy as before. Happy >Logic >>> user! >>> >>> Gre…
creator: JD
date: 2006-04-14T20:19:42-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: em...but that is "relative pitch"..Like someone else noted,learning the intervals in Music, is way more important that naming a frequency...unless you are a sound guy ,trying to find feedback from a sound system,or EQ roll off...As far as "colors" of notes go..that is a very old concept,dating back to the 1600's,before any "equal temperment" was set as a "standard"...there were many different early "temperments",based on feelings,colors,etc....cheers, Zan "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:445c1990$1@linux... > > > Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, or you > don't. > > There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but then > he's in the business of convincing people of that: > http://www.perfectpitch.com/ > > I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to shell it > out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the bargain > of the century. > > Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person who > was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or developed > it, later? Is it possible? > > I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody can develop > it that I would be able to. Sometimes I hear a song and know what key it's > in straight away. It can just be obvious to me. And if I start imagining > chords on piano usually I can hear them, and know what pitch they are, and > that they are right in my head, and know exactly what they would sound like > mostly. I can tune a guitar with no strings on it and get it within about > 5-10 cents of in tune every time. But I can't reliably listen to a song on > the radio and just easily hear what key it's in each time, or what chord > is playing, or what note the melody is on. Often I can work it out, by referring > to other songs in my head, but I'm far from just recognising every note straight > off. > > Do you think it's something that can be learned? Has anybody…
creator: Lamont[2]
date: 2006-04-14T20:27:28-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: PC support, the momentum it was gaining drew to astop. > > Ahh, this is where companies like Digidesign, who were pretty much an Apple > first company, saw an oppertunity to gain user market share, and thus grow > the company. > Now, since Apple dropped PC support, DAW apps like Cubase, Nuendo, & Sonar > & dare I say even Pro-Tools 7x give PC users pretty cool midi composing options > as well as stellar Audio recording, miixng & VSti implementation. > > But, I think Apple may be on to something with thie Dual booted Intel Macs.. > Now, it makes since to plop down $$ for a Mac, since it's not a one trick > pony. No one wants to admitt it, but those Mac users who are running Logic > version 7.x, now realize that unless they are using a Dual G5(2.7) or Quads, > then using logic 7.x is not as smooth as advertised. It pains me to se friend > run out and buy Powerbooks in hopes of "emualting" a Dual G5 performance, > only to experience "bandwidth" chokes, or worse, stalled , slow performance. > > > Oh yeah, you can throw MOTU in with apple. All of the above applies to them > as well.. Bottom line, these days, even with pirating, it's just not good > business to not develope for the PC market. Being alogn time owner/user > of Logic Audio & a Licensed Owner of Digital Performer, I want to see both > apps stay in the game. But, as time goes on, both apps are dwindling in it's > user base. Almost like we here in the Paris group. > > Meanwhile, Cuabse/Nuendo ability to get the job done midi-wise and audio > wise continues to grow. More and more Mac users are going in that direction. > as well as Pro Tools "Impoved" midi. and not to leave out Sonar. All very > cool, and very very powerful with just a modest PC..But, with a fast dual > core processor, these apps rule!!.. > > Here's to a long life for Logic Audio and Digital Peformer. I hope they survive.. > <br
creator: LaMont
date: 2006-04-14T20:29:23-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: /> > > "Ab" <ab.vangoor@wanadoo.fr> wrote: >> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >> >>> For folks who do mostly audio recording or external hardware synths >>> there's no problem. For heavy users of soft synths it can happen >>> multiple times during the day. >> First Logic version I used was 4.7 on a PB 667 but only with hardware synths. >> When crossgrading to version 5 I thought it would be handy to have some > soft >> instruments as well like evp88 and exs24. They were optional at that time. >> This was just before version 6 came out where all of the instruments were >> included. >> Bummer! >> >> If it happens while a client is around it just doesn't look good to have >> to reload the song (which will >> >> Which reminds me of Paris while I was trying to integrate it in our studio >> in which we make our living. Soundwise it would have been worth the trouble >> but it was >> completely unusable in a commercial environment because of non-stability >> and >> anomalies. >>> To see if your system shows the problem, record some soft synth tracks, >>> put your sequence in cycle mode and let it play for a while. Randomly >>> the bug causes soft synths to start dropping out. It could happen within >>> a few minutes or it could happen in an hour. It seems random. I've seen >>> all the soft synths stop playing eventually, and they will also stop > >>> playing in response to MIDI input. This happens with Logic 5, 6 and 7, > >>> and perhaps 4. It happens with Logic's own soft synths and with 3rd >>> party soft synths. >> On a regular base I use all the Logic synths and stuff like RMX, Atmosphere, >> EW Symphonic Orchestra Platinum, guitar rig, boesendorfer etc and a few > tracks >>from Melodyne through the melodyne bridge and again I must say that I never >> experienced what you described on the G5 2.7. Of course on the PB it's another >> story. For instance, I could have 3 guitar tracks running with guitar rig >> 1 with >> no problem. With version 2 not even one is poss…
creator: JD
date: 2006-04-14T20:54:37-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.-Reality check
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description: >>>> I've complained here about the "software instruments dropping out at > >>>> random" problem. It has kept me from enthusiastically recommending Logic >>>> even though overall the program is very good. >>>> >>>> I'll still have to order the $50 update to see if it's really fixed. > If >>>> it is....WOOEEEE! (and it's about @#$@# time...) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> -Jamie >>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com >>>> >>>> >Meant to say 2GHZ and 2.5GHZ G5s below. Cheers, -Jamie http://www.JamieKrutz.com Jamie K wrote: > > Hey Lamont, I don't think Apple or MOTU are in any trouble. No worries. > Both are strong companies with a variety of excellent, popular products. > Apple has been steadily upgrading Logic and this latest update is much > appreciated. > > MOTU's amazing i/o boxes are multi-platform. I have been very pleased > with the reliability of my 828MII and their timely driver updates along > the way. > > This latest update for Logic, if it fixes that pesky bug as claimed, > puts Logic at or near the top of the DAW/sequencer game. > > I would much rather run OSX than any flavor of MSWindows, so to me the > fact that Logic and DP run on that OS is preferable. Logic is very > efficient and extremely feature rich. I do occasionally run it on a G4 > laptop and it runs fine there, too. > > The advantage of the G5 is more plugins without freezing tracks. On my > dual 2.5GHZ G5 the CPU meters have yet to get close to maxing out even > with very complex Logic projects that have tons of audio tracks, FX and > instrument plugins. It's a very powerful audio playground. > > On the 800MHZ G4, I can also do complex productions as long as I freeze > tracks with heavy plugin loads, which is workable and very portable. > > Both setups, for what I do, leave PARIS in the dust (which is not saying > that PARIS is at all useless, it's a strong system for what it does but > it just doesn't do everything I need). From what I've seen of CUBASE and > SONAR I wouldn't trade Logic for them, althoug…
creator: Music Lab Sweden
date: 2006-04-14T21:32:00-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.-Reality check
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description: /> >>> time. >>> This was just before version 6 came out where all of the instruments >>> were >>> included. >>> Bummer! >>> >>> If it happens while a client is around it just doesn't look good to have >>> to reload the song (which will >>> Which reminds me of Paris while I was trying to integrate it in our >>> studio >>> in which we make our living. Soundwise it would have been worth the >>> trouble >>> but it was >>> completely unusable in a commercial environment because of non-stability >>> and >>> anomalies. >>>> To see if your system shows the problem, record some soft synth tracks, >>>> put your sequence in cycle mode and let it play for a while. >>>> Randomly the bug causes soft synths to start dropping out. It could >>>> happen within >>>> a few minutes or it could happen in an hour. It seems random. I've seen >>>> all the soft synths stop playing eventually, and they will also stop >> >>>> playing in response to MIDI input. This happens with Logic 5, 6 and 7, >> &g
creator: Dedric Terry
date: 2006-04-14T22:17:00-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: ar tracks running with guitar >>> rig >>> 1 with >>> no problem. With version 2 not even one is possible without Core >>> audio spitting >>> at >>> me. This is a real CPU demanding plug in of which I can insert as >>> many as >>> I like >>> on the dual G5 (love that machine) but on the PB.... forget it. >>> That's why >>> I will >>> get a Macbook but since I've always been a "first generation" buyer (and >>> most of the >>> time regretted) I will now wait till the next model comes. I only hope I >>> won' get >>> impatient. Also most of the 3rd party plugins developpers have not >>> written >>> their universal driver yet so... >>> >>>> It was reported to be less frequent with Logic 7.2 but still there. >>>> I didn't originally do the "crossgrade" from 7.1 to 7.2 because it's >>>> mostly about running on Intel and I don't have an Intel Mac. But >>>> I've ordered it now because this new 7.2.1 update requires 7.2. >>> Exactly my thoughts though in the end there were two good reasons to do >> the >>> crossgrade: 1. Compatability with PT 7 and 2. the possiblilty to use >>> Serato >>> LE >>> as soon it comes out (planned for the end of Mai I think). When I first >> played >>> a song after installing 7.2 I didn't have any sound coming out of my >>> Mobile >>> 2882 >>> interface, but the meters on the output were crancked up to the ceiling. >>> My first >>> reaction:WTF..... but fortunately the guys at Metric Halo have been very >>> busy and >>> released already end February the Universal version of their MIO driver. >>> After install >>> smiling all over the place. >>> Anyway, I will try to reproduce the "dropping out" issue and if I >>> find any, >>> I'll let you know. Even if from time to time small bugs come to the >>> surface,(which >>> app doesn't >>> have them) I would recommand Logic to everyone who want to take their >>> audio >>> and postproductions many steps forward. >>> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> Ab >>> >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> -Jamie >>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com >>>…
creator: Martin Harrington
date: 2006-04-14T23:54:47-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: y a > >>> wrong >>> chord and then realise "Hold on, that would have been right if the >>> instrument >>> was the right pitch". >>> >>> So, do you actually think of actual colors? If so, would you mind >>> listing >>> the colors for me for each note? That might come in very handy... >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Kim. >>> >>>> >>>>AA >>>> >>>> >>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message >>>>news:445c1f01@linux... >>>>> Kim, >>>>> >>>>> I can tune a guitar (A=440hz) without any reference. I can do it >>>>> consistently, from scratch. >>>>> >>>>> If you hit middle C on a piano, I wouldn't have a clue what it was. >>>>> >>>>> I think there may be degrees of pitch recognition....then again, I'm > >>>>> also >>>>> colorblind in that I can see differences in the color spectrum but I > >>>>> can't >>>>> tell you the names of the colors......ie.......grass is red, unless > >>>>> there >>> >>>>> is >>>>> a red reference that I can see....then I can tell it is >>>>> green.......same >>>>> scenario with green and grey, blue and purple, brown and green and the >>> >>>>> list >>>>> goes on. >>>>> >>>>> Deej >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ux... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Now there's a school of thought that says that either you've got it, >>> or >>>>> you >>>>>> don't. >>>>>> >>>>>> There's this guy on the other hand who reckons it can be learned, but >>> >>>>>> then >>>>>> he's in the business of convincing people of that: >>>>>> http://www.perfectpitch.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm thinking of buying the course, but at $139 I wouldn't want to >>>>>> shell >>> >>>>>> it >>>>>> out for nothing. On the other hand if it works, then $139 is the >>>>>> bargain >>>>>> of the century. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anybody here actually know anyone who has developed it? A person >>> who >>>>>> was a muso, and didn't have it, but then somehow learned it, or >>>>>> developed >>>>>> it, later? Is it possible? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have kinda of partial perfect pitch. I'm thinking that if anybody > can >>>>> deve…
creator: LaMont
date: 2006-04-15T00:29:41-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.-Reality check
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description: th > it... I wonder if I had checked all the speakers in any of > those events, we might have ended up saying: "DAAAAAMN, that's > even BETTER!" > > My only regret at this stage is that the other guitar player > really liked that i5/Mucusrite Red combination he was hearing, > but unfortunately, I only have two i5's, and two channels > of "red". We didn't dial in his sounds last night because at > first he said he wanted to do his parts as overdubs once the > first guitar was laid down, but as we were wrapping up for the > evening, he changed his mind & now wants to do them at the same > time. I have other mics & pres, of course, but I dunno if we're > gonna get something he's happy with now that he's heard that > particular combination... the saving grace might be that > although he's got the same kind of amp head as the first guy, > he'll be using the Mesa cab, and he says his overall tone is > different from the first guy's too... he's trying to fit into > the freqency range between the bass & the first guitar. Since > these guys de-tune a step & a half, that's gonna be a pretty > low tonal range... I'm thinking maybe I wish I had another TLM- > 103 at this point, too LOL if he's going that low I might > need something like that for his tone, just so it's not a big, > muddy, mess! I guess we'll find out today (fingers crossed). > > Anyway, I said I'd mention the drum thing 'cause it's kinda > different... the drummer loves his Roland E-kit, which he > incorporates with some live cymbals, as well. So we're using > 3 live cymbals, plus live hi-hats, 3 e-kit cymbals, and the e- > kit for kick, snare, and 4 toms (one tom pad plugged into the > hi-hat trigger port, with the brain reprogrammed to strike a > floor tom MIDI note instead of a hi-hat MIDI note). We're > micing the hat with an Earthworks TC-30 (tried a Rode NT-5 too, > but the Earthworks won out by a large margin due to being less > midrangey, having a ton more "air"; and also being an omni, and > as a resul…
creator: LaMont
date: 2006-04-15T00:35:27-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: >> My only regret at this stage is that the other guitar player >>> really liked that i5/Mucusrite Red combination he was hearing, >>> but unfortunately, I only have two i5's, and two channels >>> of "red". We didn't dial in his sounds last night because at >>> first he said he wanted to do his parts as overdubs once the >>> first guitar was laid down, but as we were wrapping up for the >>> evening, he changed his mind & now wants to do them at the same >>> time. I have other mics & pres, of course, but I dunno if we're >>> gonna get something he's happy with now that he's heard that >>> particular combination... the saving grace might be that >>> although he's got the same kind of amp head as the first guy, >>> he'll be using the Mesa cab, and he says his overall tone is >>> different from the first guy's too... he's trying to fit into >>> the freqency range between the bass & the first guitar. Since >>> these guys de-tune a step & a half, that's gonna be a pretty >>> low tonal range... I'm thinking maybe I wish I had another TLM- >>> 103 at this point, too LOL if he's going that low I might >>> need something like that for his tone, just so it's not a big, >>> muddy, mess! I guess we'll find out today (fingers crossed). >>> >>> Anyway, I said I'd mention the drum thing 'cause it's kinda >>> different... the drummer loves his Roland E-kit, which he >>> incorporates with some live cymbals, as well. So we're using >>> 3 live cymbals, plus live hi-hats, 3 e-kit cymbals, and the e- >>> kit for kick, snare, and 4 toms (one tom pad plugged into the >>> hi-hat trigger port, with the brain reprogrammed to strike a >>> floor tom MIDI note instead of a hi-hat MIDI note). We're >>> micing the hat with an Earthworks TC-30 (tried a Rode NT-5 too, >>> but the Earthworks won out by a large margin due to being less >>> midrangey, having a ton more "air"; and also being an omni, and >>> as a result, picking up more room ambience). OH's are TLM- >>> 103's, and no, you can't hear the…
creator: Aaron Allen
date: 2006-04-15T00:56:30-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: >>> For folks who do mostly audio recording or external hardware synths >>>> there's no problem. For heavy users of soft synths it can happen >>>> multiple times during the day. >>> First Logic version I used was 4.7 on a PB 667 but only with hardware synths. >>> When crossgrading to version 5 I thought it would be handy to have some >> soft >>> instruments as well like evp88 and exs24. They were optional at that time. >>> This was just before version 6 came out where all of the instruments were >>> included. >>> Bummer! >>> >>> If it happens while a client is around it just doesn't look good to have >>> to reload the song (which will >>> >>> Which reminds me of Paris while I was trying to integrate it in our studio >>> in which we make our living. Soundwise it would have been worth the trouble >>> but it was >>> completely unusable in a commercial environment because of non-stability >>> and >>> anomalies. >>>> To see if your system shows the problem, record some soft synth tracks, >>>> put your sequence in cycle mode and let it play for a while. Randomly >>>> the bug causes soft synths to start dropping out. It could happen within >>>> a few minutes or it could happen in an hour. It seems random. I've seen >>>> all the soft synths stop playing eventually, and they will also stop >> >>>> playing in response to MIDI input. This happens with Logic 5, 6 and 7, >> >>>> and perhaps 4. It happens with Logic's own soft synths and with 3rd >>>> party soft synths. >>> On a regular base I use all the Logic synths and stuff like RMX, Atmosphere, >>> EW Symphonic Orchestra Platinum, guitar rig, boesendorfer etc and a few >> tracks >>>from Melodyne through the melodyne bridge and again I must say that I never >>> experienced what you described on the G5 2.7. Of course on the PB it's another >>> story. For instance, I could have 3 guitar tracks running with guitar rig >>> 1 with >>> no problem. With version 2 not even one is possible without Core audio spitting >>> at >>> me. Th…
creator: Edna Sloan
date: 2006-04-15T01:19:08-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: w times to the point where it actually works. :^) Cheers, -Jamie http://www.JamieKrutz.com LaMont wrote: > Hey Jamie, > > I'm gloing down to my local Comp UsA to have a run on a Dual-core Imac (20inch). > Last week the sales person gave me demo of it's dual boot capabilties. Sweet..It > runs XP very very good. Very smooth.. > > Personlly, I wish apple/emagic would port over the gui from Soundtrac Pro > and it's fast sample accurate editing. It seems that emagic is hell bent > on staying the course of it's old look..When many many others have wished > they changed course form it's science project appearance. > So, that's the selling feature for me, dual boot capability so I can run > Logic & then boot over to run Nuendo, Samplitude. > > P.S. Nuendo & SX are the same. Nuendo has more post features. SX has video > & post functionality, but not as extensive as Neundo. > Take care, > LaMont > > Jamie K <<a href="mailto:Meta@Dimensional.com" tar
creator: Michele Hobbs
date: 2006-04-15T01:48:30-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: get="_blank">Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >> Hey Lamont, I don't think Apple or MOTU are in any trouble. No worries. > >> Both are strong companies with a variety of excellent, popular products. > >> Apple has been steadily upgrading Logic and this latest update is much >> appreciated. >> >> MOTU's amazing i/o boxes are multi-platform. I have been very pleased >> with the reliability of my 828MII and their timely driver updates along > >> the way. >> >> This latest update for Logic, if it fixes that pesky bug as claimed, >> puts Logic at or near the top of the DAW/sequencer game. >> >> I would much rather run OSX than any flavor of MSWindows, so to me the >> fact that Logic and DP run on that OS is preferable. Logic is very >> efficient and extremely feature rich. I do occasionally run it on a G4 >> laptop and it runs fine there, too. >> >> The advantage of the G5 is more plugins without freezing tracks. On my >> dual 2.5GHZ G5 the CPU meters have yet to get close to maxing out even >> with very complex Logic projects that have tons of audio tracks, FX and > >> instrument plugins. It's a very powerful audio playground. >> >> On the 800MHZ G4, I can also do complex productions as long as I freeze > >> tracks with heavy plugin loads, which is workable and very portable. >> >> Both setups, for what I do, leave PARIS in the dust (which is not saying > >> that PARIS is at all useless, it's a strong system for what it does but > >> it just doesn't do everything I need). From what I've seen of CUBASE and > >> SONAR I wouldn't trade Logic for them, altho
creator: dc[4]
date: 2006-04-15T01:58:40-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: /> >>> the company. >>> Now, since Apple dropped PC support, DAW apps like Cubase, Nuendo, & Sonar >>> & dare I say even Pro-Tools 7x give PC users pretty cool midi composing > options >>> as well as stellar Audio recording, miixng & VSti implementation. >>> >>> But, I think Apple may be on to something with thie Dual booted Intel > Macs.. >>> Now, it makes since to plop down $$ for a Mac, since it's not a one trick >>> pony. No one wants to admitt it, but those Mac users who are running Logic >>> version 7.x, now realize that unless they are using a Dual G5(2.7) or > Quads, >>> then using logic 7.x is not as smooth as advertised. It pains me to se > friend >>> run out and buy Powerbooks in hopes of "emualting" a Dual G5 performance, >>> only to experience "bandwidth" chokes, or worse, stalled , slow performance. >>> >>> >>> Oh yeah, you can throw MOTU in with apple. All of the above applies to > them >>> as well.. Bottom line, these days, even with pirating, it's just not good >>> business to not develope for the PC market. Being alogn time owner/user >>> of Logic Audio & a Licensed Owner of Digital Performer, I want to see > both >>> apps stay in the game. But, as time goes on, both apps are dwindling in > it's >>> user base. Almost like we here in the Paris group. >>> >>> Meanwhile, Cuabse/Nuendo ability to get the job done midi-wise and audio >>> wise continues to grow. More and more Mac users are going in that direction. >>> as well as Pro Tools "Impoved" midi. and not to leave out Sonar. All very >>> cool, and very very powerful with just a modest PC..But, with a fast dual >>> core processor, these apps rule!!.. >>> >>> Here's to a long life for Logic Audio and Digital Peformer. I hope they > survive.. >>> >>> "Ab" <ab.vangoor@wanadoo.fr> wrote: >>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> For folks who do mostly audio recording or external hardware synths > >>>>> there's no problem. For heavy users of soft synths it can happen >>>>> multiple times du…
creator: Deej [1]
date: 2006-04-15T02:33:34-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: one wants to admitt it, but those Mac users who are running Logic >>> version 7.x, now realize that unless they are using a Dual G5(2.7) or >Quads, >>> then using logic 7.x is not as smooth as advertised. It pains me to se >friend >>> run out and buy Powerbooks in hopes of "emualting" a Dual G5 performance, >>> only to experience "bandwidth" chokes, or worse, stalled , slow performance. >>> >>> >>> Oh yeah, you can throw MOTU in with apple. All of the above applies to >them >>> as well.. Bottom line, these days, even with pirating, it's just not good >>> business to not develope for the PC market. Being alogn time owner/user >>> of Logic Audio & a Licensed Owner of Digital Performer, I want to see >both >>> apps stay in the game. But, as time goes on, both apps are dwindling i
creator: Jesse Skeens
date: 2006-04-15T04:40:16-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.-Reality check
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description: ndwise it would have been worth the trouble >>>> but it was >>>> completely unusable in a commercial environment because of non-stability >>>> and >>>> anomalies. >>>>> To see if your system shows the problem, record some soft synth tracks, >>>>> put your sequence in cycle mode and let it play for a while. Randomly > >>>>> the bug causes soft synths to start dropping out. It could happen within >>>>> a few minutes or it could happen in an hour. It seems random. I've seen >>>>> all the soft synths stop playing eventually, and they will also stop >>> >>>>> playing in response to MIDI input. This happens with Logic 5, 6 and >7, >>> >>>>> and perhaps 4. It happens with Logic's own soft synths and with 3rd > >>>>> party soft synths. >>>> On a regular base I use all the Logic synths and stuff like RMX, Atmosphere, >>>> EW Symphonic Orchestra Platinum, guitar rig, boesendorfer etc and a few >>> tracks >>>>from Melodyne through the melodyne bridge and again I must say that I >never >>>> experienced what you described on the G5 2.7. Of course on the PB it's >another >>>> story. For instance, I could have 3 guitar tracks running with guitar >rig >>>> 1 with >>>> no problem. With version 2 not even one is possible without Core audio >spitting >>>> at >>>> me. This is a real CPU demanding plug in of which I can insert as many >as >>>> I like >>>> on the dual G5 (love that machine) but on the PB.... forget it. That's >why >>>> I will >>>> get a Macbook but since I've always been a "first generation" buyer (and >>>> most of the >>>> time regretted) I will now wait till the next model comes. I only hope >I >>>> won' get >>>> impatient. Also most of the 3rd party plugins developpers have not written >>>> their universal driver yet so... >>>> >>>>> It was reported to be less frequent with Logic 7.2 but still there. >I >>>>> didn't originally do the "crossgrade" from 7.1 to 7.2 because it's >>>>> mostly about running on Intel and I don't have an Intel Mac. But I've > >>>>> ordered it…
creator: JD
date: 2006-04-15T05:03:32-00:00

Re: My evolving position on the Paris sound vs. PT.
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description: t;friends > >> >> > and > >> >> >> >>> I remind her of that quite often. I knew he had been sick but > >> >hadn't > >> >> >> >> emailed > >> >> >> >>> him in a few years. He also gave me advice as a writer that > was > >> >> >> >>> extremely > >> >> >> >>> useful--don't keep copies of everything you write, because most > >> of > >> >it > >> >> >> >> isn't > >> >> >> >>> that good and if you need to you can always find a copy of it > >> >later. > >> >> > It > >> >> >> >> will > >> >> >> >>> just clutter up your house. > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> Sad that he is now where we all some day shall be, > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> TCB > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>> I was futs forwared an e-mail that was sent to a mutual friend > >> by > >> >> >> >> Steven's > >> >> >> >>>> wife and forwarded to me, as follows: > >> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> >>>> "Steven died in his sleep early this morning after a couple > of > >> >truly > >> >> >> >>>> peaceful days. He woke once, Thursday evening, and found > >himself > >> >> >> >>>> surrounded by friends and family. He talked sleepily with all > >> of > >> >us, > >> >> >> >>>> understood he was deeply loved, and told us he had been flying > >> in > >> >a > >> >> >> >>>> wonderful and amazing place without pain. He woke again early > >> >Friday > >> >> >> >>>> morning and was as clear, strong, and aware as he had been > in > >> his > >> >> >> >>>> healthiest days. He told me he had been in "a place beautiful > >> >beyond > >> >> >> >>>> my life," told me he wanted to die and go back there, and fell > >> >into > >> >> >> >>>> a > >> >> >> >>>> final sleep. > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> The world is a poorer place without him. Please carry him in > >your > >> >> >> >>>> thoughts, hearts, and prayers. > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> Thank you all for being there for him and for me." > >> >> >> >>>> ________________________________…
creator: Rod Lincoln
date: 2006-04-16T15:40:19-00:00