/> Almost goes without saying. ***It will become a place where people can openly discuss other systems. Many other systems have their own forums, but often getting unbiased advice in such places is difficult*** And if I may add, this place is great for getting advice or opinions on more than just "systems"... there's a great wealth of knowledge here on audio in general, and that's - personally - why I prefer to hang here more than any other audio forum. ***It will continue to be a place where Deej can tell stories about critters, and ridi
culous setups*** This is, parguably, one of the better features of this forum. LOL ***I imagine that, say a decade from now, or two, the number of "current" Paris users will be very low*** Five... I predict exactly "Five". :) ***I'm hoping however that the forum can continue to be an excellent forum for general music knowledge. I'm hoping that the isolation offered by the fact that our newsgroup is available only on this one little server, and pushes itself on the search engine only to Paris users, will shelter us, as it seems to have so far, from the usual issues with trolls, fanbois etc, where it can be hard to get an honest, unbiased, useful opinion through the noise. YEAH, BUDDY!!! Thanks, Kimmers, and thanks to everyone from the folks who star
ted the group, to the ones that still show up here. Neil "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >My 2c on this discussion, for what it's worth... > >I'd like to think most people here are open to other DAWs. Paris has been >unsupported for several years. I'd like to think that most people still have >respect for Paris, and understand that there are still things it does well, >but are also things it's now behind on naturally. > >This group, more than any other group, is always going to be the best place >to come to for anyone with a Paris related question, simply because of the >history of those the group has attract
ed, being Paris users. If you're looking >for info on Paris, no other group is
going to be of more help. > >But if I was to go all Nazi and implement some kind of blanket ban on posts >not related directly to Paris, this place would be awefully quiet and pretty >boring IMO, and no doubt die a slow death. The reality is there is less and >less to say about a system which has had no development for half a decade. > >I'd like to think, as the group moves forward, there will be certain basic >things it will take with it. > >(*) It will continue to be the best place for Paris info, even though the >actual user base is bound to deplete further. Not much can be done about >that. No other group is likely to become more useful for Paris info than >this one. >(*) It will become a place where people can openly discuss other systems. >Many other systems have their own forums, but often getting unbiased advice >in such places is difficult, as the forums can be full of fanbois. Here hopefully >people can get useful information, and everyone can appreciate that all systems >have their advantages and disadvantages, just like everyone here understands >that Paris has it's strong points, but that an outdated system doesn't suit >everyone. Already the system base of users
here is diverse, and people respect >that different systems have their advantages. That is pretty rare on internet >forums. >(*)It will continue to be a place where Deej can tell stories about critters, >and ridiculous setups. ;o) > >I imagine that, say a decade from now, or two, the number of "current" Paris >users
br /> > >120db. I have been hearing rave reviews on these on some other forums, > even > >compared to RME. Gonna use it with Samplitude V8 for native system. > >E > >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:443abe13$1@linux... > >> > >> Hey Guys, > >> > >> I just got a Emu 1212M interface with the high-end converters. Man,these > >> converters are fanstasic!! I can't believed that EMU sales this level > of > >> converter for so little..Their new interface box even has soft-limit on > >the > >> converters and better mic pres. > >> > >> This just makes me wonder if ID could
make with with EMU and make VSt > >version > >> of Paris!!(naitive). I would jump all over this. Really, this card has > the > >> samme converters as the Digi HD192. > >> I'm hearing things in my Nuendo mixes that I did not hear in my RME Digi > >> 96 PST that it replaced.. The difference is so clear, that it's really > >make > >> me think twice about ever purchasing another RME interface. > >> > >> Dedric, now I can mix with full confidence in Nuendo, like I do in Paris > >> Wow!! just $200.00 card!! amazing.. > >> > >> Edmund if you are readingthis post. Please kiss and make with EMU, to > make > >> a naitive version of Paris (drop the midi sequencer). :)smile.. > >> Thanks
..LaMont > > > > >To be clear.. 16 inputs on 'each' card, correct? AA "Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote in message news:443c4b92$1@linux... > > Loaded...16 all litepipe. > Steve > "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote: >>How many inputs do you have on each EDS card? >>AA >> >>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote in message >>news:443c492a$1@linux..
e years I have not figured out yet how to record 32 Tracks >>> simultaneously. >>> Can this be done? >>> Steve >> >> >>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you? >>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html >> >> >I'm looking into Melodyne, after hearing lots of good things about it. Autotune seems to be OK for simple auto corrections, but nothing more. I have done some isolated and very minor pitch correction with PARIS and it wasn't too bad - nothing like any flatulence I've ever heard though :>) E "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4439bd2f$1@linux... > > > There are far better ways to change pitch. > > Paris has a rather old system. Percussive sounds change from a sharp crack > into more of a fart. ;o) It works alright on vocals though actually, as they > are much softer by nature, but there would be far better things to use, and > mostly I've only used it for pitch corrections of 10% of a semitone or something. > After processing I usually find I need to boost the lev
el by a couple of > db. > > I wouldn't try a whole band though... that's destined for dissapointment. > > Cheers, > Kim. > > "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >How well does it work? > > > >Could I slow down a song 10% without it sounding messed up? Speed it up > 10%? > > > >I like how Prince did his Camille/Bob George voice vari-speed thing back > in > >the day. > > > >Just wondered if Paris allowed for that sort of vari-speed latitude. > > > >Jimmy > > > > > > >"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote: >nothing like any flatulence I've ever heard though :>) Hehe... no I find it's not too bad on vocals, and the artifacts are less noticable the less you change the pitch, so moving just 20 cents in a direction isn't that big a problem. But try moving something sharp and percussing by 6 semitones and you'll see what I mean. ;o) Cheers, Kim. >E >"Kim" <<a href="mailto:hiddensounds@hotmai
R>&gt;&gt;&gt;Steve &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;I choose = Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and=20 you? &gt;&gt;http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html=20 &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C65DBB.D34B6900--They didn't make a 305 in '72.. that was the 307, heh, and I believe it wasn't offered for the Camero (but did show in in the Chevelle and El Camino that I know of), unless you're reference is to the 60's aluminum chevy limited production 302 that 'did' come in the Camaro :) LOL (Your point proven, perhaps?) geAArhead "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:443c63e9$1@linux... > > "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OI.com> wrote: >>>And if I may add, this place is great for getting advice or >>>opinions on more than just "systems"... there's a great wealth >>>of knowledge here on audio in general, and that's - personally - >>>why I prefer to hang here more than any other audio forum. >> >>Quite true, and it even goes beyond just audio in some cases. I've learned >>plenty
have concluded that it will eventually burn your cards... Regards, Dimitrios "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote: >Have you any experience with EnergyXT ? There is some talk at the FXT forum >about this working better with FXT than Chainer. >E > >"DImitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:443a7136$1@linux... >> >> Hi, >> Latencies with network has been always that long... >> I use Planet ENW-9606 1GB connected without switch but directly with a >cable >> , just two computers. >> I always remember when was using FX-teleport last year had that latency to >> work. >> Actually Paris to work now needs 6112 samples not t
o loose any sample ... >> Hope this helps. >> Regards, >> Dimitrios >> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote: >> >What nics and switch are you using? That is high latency. >> > >> >"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message >news:443a3743$1@linux... >> >> >> >> Hi to all, >> >> Have been some time posting here... >> >> Anyway I was tempted by your posts and made my way thru Teleport. >> >> Teleport 1.03 with chainer working ! >> >> Teleport 1.04 not working (maybe my setup) >> >> I use Paris machine as master and other pc as slave. >> >> Just open theserver icon on slave and then run teleport on master . >> >> It looks on the vst folder you have vst installed in your slave and >> >installs >> >> wherever you say to. >> >> I have them installed on master at program files/Steinberg/vst >plugins/fx >> >> teleport >> >> Paris cannot see this subfolder . >> >> Chainer can. >> >> I tried with one instance of Solid stae logic free compressorand it >works. >> >> There is a minimum 4096 delay there but anyway it works. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Regards, >> >> Dimitrios >> > >> > >> > >"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote: > >I dont use any analogue from the control
where other DAWs are not. On the other hand, part of me still thinks that air, where the "summing bus" mathematics is done in nature, may not necessarily be as pure in it's additions as is a digital DAW. For example, I would think that air, when heavily compressed, would offer more resistance the more it was compressed. It's not just doing to keep giving. It will resist more with greater compression. So the louder the sound, and the more you add sound together, the more you would get a mild compression effect on the peaks. In analog systems, and possibly Paris, you get this effect. It's only slight, but it's there. In digital systems you don't. I've never seen or heard anything about how sound works in the air and how clean the maths is. People seem to assume it to be pure clean maths, but I find that unlikely. Air is a dirty mixed up substance full of different gases and particles, and sounds by nature are waves crossing in different directions, intersecting, and doing all kinds of things. Hence, which system is coloured? The digital or the analog? Paris or Protools or, indeed, air? I suggested this in a post a while back I'm pretty sure. But I think there's certainly variation in what various people prefer sound wise. Digital is currently "in". Overcompressed is certainly in. Mind you I think this is the way of the future. People are increasingly wanting everything in little compact packages that are easier to digest. Getting somebody to make you a pizza with chilli that's actually hot is becoming increasingly difficult. I'd like to think that one day Paris, and the more analog sound will be back in, but I suspect not. I beleive it will always have a following though. It certainly has more funk and soul in my books. :o) Cheers, Kim.Can you describe what your cubase/paris hybrid is and does? Thanks DJ "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote: >With the exception of a few occasional rough spots here and there, my >Cubase/Paris hybrid is exactly what I hoped Paris would eventually become. >Just because Paris stopped doesn't mean we did. I think it's fun to put this >stuff together and see what it can achieve. > >;o) > > > >"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message >news:443c54af$1@linux... >> >> Yeah, I still use Paris as main DAW, although I augment with cubase sx. I >> think of the spirit of this newsgr
>>>>drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage >> >>>>>people >> >>>>>to stick around. This NG is shrinking! >> >>>>>I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed; >> ) >> >>> >> >>> raved >> >>> >> >>>>>about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is not so >> >> >>>>>sure >> >>>>>that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys >here >> >>> >> >>> that >> >>> >> >>>>>thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo. >> Some >> >>>>>times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived as >> >> >>>>>being >> >>>>>better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some >people >> >>> >> >>> love >> >>> >> >>>>>the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and the >> >>>>>working >> >>>>>methods of newer software. There will always be something to come >out >> >>> >> >>> that >> >>> >> >>>>>will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and vary >> >> >>>>>useable. >> >>>>>When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris becomes >> >> >>>>>vary >> >>>>>hard to beat. >> >>>>> >> >>>>>Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have, or >> >> >>>>>are >> >>>>>considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard". Many >> >> >>>>>feel >> >>>>>that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business. For >some >> >>> >> >>> people >> >>> >> >>>>>this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do. However, >> it >> >>>>>really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the >> >>>>>equipment >> >>>>>you use. >> >>>>> >> >>>>>Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there is >> >>>>>really >> >>>>>no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus the >> cost >> >>>>>of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A., Nashville, >> or >> >>> >> >>> Austin, >> >>> >> >>>>>then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live >> >>>>>instruments, >> >>>>>so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company wants >> to >> >>>>>give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL 9000 >> >> >>>>>and >> >>>>>a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record, and >your >> >>>> >> >>>>talking >> >>>> >> >>>>>sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the world. >> >> >>>>>There >> >>>>>have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT. By the >> >> >>>>>way, >> >>>>>he still mixes with Paris! >> >>>>> >> >>>>>Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect >saying >> >>>>>that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris >users. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>>"Paul&quot
/> > > is > >>>>>>>>>well >>>>>>>>>respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to. >> >>OK? >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Dave, >>>>>>>>>>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and >>>>>>>>>>encouraging >>>>>>>>>>the Paris users How?? >>>>>>>>>>Steve >>>>>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Howdy all, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by >>>>>>>>>>>still. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Alot >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>of interesting posts to shuffle through.... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools > > rep > >>>>>>less >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the >>> >>>new >>> >>>>>>>console >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>and surrounding furniture. >>>>>>>>>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed >>> >>>to >>> >>>>>>>>Paris, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im >> >>still >> >>>>>>>>running >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 >> >>years, >> >>>>>>but >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>things >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world. >>>>>>>>>>>Just a few thoughts..... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Cheers >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Hey Dave >>>>>>>>>>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include >> >>current >> >>>>>>>>Paris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or >> >>Paris >> >>>>>>users >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>who >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss > > is > >>>>>>>>>>>>when >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>folks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around. >>>>>>>>>>>>Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>MR >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>news:441d9384$1@linux... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Howdy all. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>happened >>>>>>>>>>>>>tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but > > its > >>>>>>>>>>>>>time >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>move >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>on. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week. >>>>>> >>>>>>I >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>bought >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual >>> >>>2.0 >>> >>>>>>>>G5. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Hence >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>the excitement. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on > > it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>have >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer >>> >>>of >>> >>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>year >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly >> >>believe >> >>>>>>>>>Paris >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>achieve. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Cheers to ya all.!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Dave >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you? >>>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html >>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- Chris Ludwig ADK chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/> (859) 635-5762HI, Yes well put. Ummm by Paul's philosophy I guess I shouldn't post here anymore sense I don't own ...:( Chris TC wrote: > Well, > > I use PT HD, Logic 7 and Paris, with considerable investments in all > over the years. > > The fact that Paris is no longer made means that people are eventually
;> Thanks DJ >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote: >> >With the exception of a few occasional rough spots here and there, my >> >Cubase/Paris hybrid is exactly what I hoped Paris would eventually >become. >> >Just because Paris stopped doesn't mean we did. I think it's fun to put >> this >> >stuff together and see what it can achieve. >> > >> >;o) >> > >> > >> > >> >"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message >> >news:443c54af$1@linux... >> >> >> >> Yeah, I still use Paris as main DAW, although I augment with cubase sx. >> I >> >> think of the spirit of this newsgroup to have evolved as those who are >> >searching >> >> for the best way to do their thang with music, and share it.... guys >and >> >> gals that aren't swayed by popular opinion, unless it happens to be the >> >same >> >> thing that works for them sonically, or logistically, or ergonomically, >> or >> >> whatever, and are willing to share, or learn. I say, bring it on. If PT >> is >> >> working for you, and you can tell me how...I'll listen. Maybe it will >> make >> >> me better. >> >> Rod >> >> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote: >> >> >> Dawfensiveness >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Dude, I love that term. And your right. Look at all the hits made >> >WAAAAYYY >> >> >> >> >before we even had computers, much less DAWs. It ain't as much about >> the >> >> >> >> >tools as it is about the capturing of the moment. How you do that is >> >totally >> >> >> >> >personal and up to each of us. Sure, I can spank the daylights out a >> PT >> >> mix >> >> >in level with Paris, but then again Paris midi sucks. Use what floats >> it >> >> for >> >> >ya, I say. Use it how it floats it for ya. If it's good, everyone will >> >know >> >> >> >> >it when they hear it, and the means doesn't matter. I still prefer >Paris >> >> in >> >> >a big way, but I program midi/song structures elsewhere where the >'sound' >> >> >> >> >doesn't matter and dump to. >> >> > >> >> >AA >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message >> >> >news:443c155c$1@linux... >> >> >> Well, >> >> >> >> >> >> I use PT HD, Logic 7 and Paris, with considerable investments in all >> >over >> >> >> >> >> the years. >> >> >> >> >> >> The fact that Paris is no longer made means that people are >eventually >> >> >> >> >> either going to supplement their workflow with other systems, or >move >> >> on >> >> >> once the hardware is no longer easy to come by. >> >> >> >> >> >> Dawfensiveness is just plain silly. That hasn't really been the >spirit >> >> of >> >> >> this NG (although it has been touchy in the past at times) and I >think >> >> we >> >> >> can all keep an open mind and help each other with good info on >various >> >> >> >> >> platforms. >> >> >> >> >> >> If someone's moving to HD is going to somehow make another Paris >user >> >> feel >> >> >> "inadequate" about their system, then so be it. Paris can hold it's >> own >> >> >> >> >> sonically, and other systems will continue to have more features >than >> >> >> >> >> Paris, but that's just the way it goes. >> >> >> >> >> >> This place has always been a step above other NG's since I've been >> >around >> >> >> >> >> here (1998), and it's aways been more about the community here than >> >> >> current daw wars.. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> >> >> TC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Steve Cox wrote: >> >> >>> Hey John, Point taken...Steve >> >> >>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>If I ever get PT I'll be here telling everyone how good or lousy it >> is >> >> >> >> >>>>and >> >> >>>>it WILL help paris users decide to keep paris or move on. That's >> >great >> >> >>> >> >> >>> help<
gt; >> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote: >> >> >> Dawfensiveness >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Dude, I love that term. And your right. Look at all the hits made >> >WAAAAYYY >> >> >> >> >before we even had computers, much less DAWs. It ain't as much about >> the >> >> >> >> >tools as it is about the capturing of the moment. How you do that is >> >totally >> >> >> >> >personal and up to each of us. Sure, I can spank the daylights out a >> PT >> >> mix >> >> >in level with Paris, but then again Paris midi sucks. Use what floats >> it >> >> for >> >> >ya, I say. Use it how it floats it for ya. If it's good, everyone will >> >know >> >> >> >> >it when they hear it, and the means doesn't matter. I still prefer >Paris >> >> in >> >> >a big way, but I program midi/song structures elsewhere where the >'sound' >> >> >> >> >doesn't matter and dump to. >> >> > >> >> >AA >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message >> >> >news:443c155c$1@linux... >> >> >> Well, >> >> >> >> >> >> I use PT HD, Logic 7 and Paris, with considerable investments in all >> >over >> >> >> >> >> the years. >> >> >> >> >> >> The fact that Paris is no longer made means that people are >eventually >> >> >> >> >> either going to supplement their workflow with other systems, or >move >> >> on >> >> >> once the hardware is no longer easy to come by. >> >> >> >> >> >> Dawfensiveness is just plain silly. That hasn't really been the >spirit >> >> of >> >> >> this NG (although it has been touchy in the past at times) and I >think >> >> we >> >> >> can all keep an open mind and help each other with good info on >various >> >> >> >> >> platforms. >> >> >> >> >> >> If someone's moving to HD is going to somehow make another Paris >user >> >> feel >> >> >> "inadequate" about their system, then so be it. Paris can hold it's >> own >> >> >> >> >> sonically, and other systems will continue to have more features >than >> >> >> >> >> Paris, but that's just the way it goes. >> >> >> >> >> >> This place has always been a step above other NG's since I've been >> >around >> >> >> >> >> here (1998), and it's aways been more about the community here than >> >> >> current daw wars.. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> >> >> TC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Steve Cox wrote: >> >> >>> Hey John, Point taken...Steve >> >> >>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>If I ever get PT I'll be here telling everyone how good or lousy it >> is >> >> >> >> >>>>and >> >> >>>>it WILL help paris users decide to keep paris or move on. That's >> >great >> >> >>> >> >> >>> help >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>! >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>John >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>>Hey Steve has a good point, this is the Paris news group, not that >> >other >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>people >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>>aren't welcome! Both guys are entitled to their opinion. I think >> >all >> >> >>> >> >> >>> should >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>be welcome. >> >> >>>>>For some time there has been a migration away from Paris by former >> >Paris >> >> >>>>>users. Some people have tried to justify their own choice by >saying >> >> >> >> >>>>>things >> >> >>>>>like the waters are safe in PT land, or PT sounds better than >Paris. >> >> It >> >> >>>>>is discouraging to paris users, and kind of trolling. Some PT >users >> >> >> >> >>>>>have >> >> >>>>>actually come here in the past just to troll, and it didn't help >> our >> >> >> >> >>>>>group >> >> >>>>>much. It is psychological, it makes you feel like your missing >out, >> >> or >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>your >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>>getting left behind. When BT left, a lot of people went with him >> so >> >> to >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>speak. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>>For the others that are going to switch, if you got to go, Ok, but >> >don't >> >> >&g
t;>>>drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage >> >> >>>>>people >> >> >>>>>to stick around. This NG is shrinking! >> >> >>>>>I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed; >> >> ) >> >> >>> >> >> >>> raved >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is not >> so >> >> >> >> >>>>>sure >> >> >>>>>that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys >> >here >> >> >>> >> >> >>> that >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo. >> >> Some >> >> >>>>>times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived >> as >> >> >> >> >>>>>being >> >> >>>>>better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some >> >people >> >> >>> >> >> >>> love >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and the >> >> >>>>>working >> >> >>>>>methods of newer software. There will always be something to come >> >out >> >> >>> >> >> >>> that >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and >vary >> >> >> >> >>>>>useable. >> >> >>>>>When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris >becomes >> >> >> >> >>>>>vary >> >> >>>>>hard to beat. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>>Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have, >> or >> >> >> >> >>>>>are >> >> >>>>>considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard". >> Many >> >> >> >> >>>>>feel >> >> >>>>>that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business. For >> >some >> >> >>> >> >> >>> people >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do. >However, >> >> it >> >> >>>>>really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the >> >> >>>>>equipment >> >> >>>>>you use. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>>Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there is >> >> >>>>>really >> >> >>>>>no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus >the >> >> cost >> >> >>>>>of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A., >Nashville, >> >> or >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Austin, >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live >> >> >>>>>instruments, >> >> >>>>>so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company >wants >> >> to >> >> >>>>>give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL >> 9000 >> >> >> >> >>>>>and >> >> >>>>>a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record, and >> >your >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>talking >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>>sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the >world. >> >> >> >> >>>>>There >> >> >>>>>have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT. By >> the >> >> >> >> >>>>>way, >> >> >>>>>he still mixes with Paris! >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>>Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect >> >saying >> >> >>>>>that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris >> >users. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>"Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>>>Steve, >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what... >> two >> >> >> >> >>>>>>weeks >> >> >>>>>>now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave >> is >> >> >> >> >>>>>>well >> >> >>>>>>respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to. >> >OK? >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote: >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>Dave, >> >> >>>>>>>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and >> >> >>>>>>>encouraging >> >> >>>>>>>the Paris users How?? >> >> >>>>>>>Steve >> >> >>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>Howdy all, >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by >> >> >>>>>>>> still. >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>Alot >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>of interesting posts to shuffle through.... >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >&
>>Kim. >>>>>> >>
te in message news:443fdbe4$1@linux... >> >> Everybody's got an opinion. Here we go with the PT is better than Paris >> stuff >> again. I guess this gives us something to talk about, but folks, we're >> all >> being goaded and bated here. &g